tooextracool
International Coach
strange though that he averages more than jayasuriyaLegglancer said:Suit Yourself .... Trsco is not good enough to be sanaths left toe !
Keep on dreaming !
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Legglancer
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Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.tooextracool said:
So overall averages dont tell the whole story !
tooextracool
International Coach
no they dont, which is why i decided to look at his average from 96 onwards, which is still 36.10, and 0.42 less than trescos.Legglancer said:Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.
So overall averages dont tell the whole story !
not much in it of course, but surely tresco is good enough to at least be considered his equal,especially when you consider that jayasuriya has presumably played on flatter wickets.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Keep digging - he's batted 325 times in ODIs, opening on 279 occasions.Legglancer said:Well Jayasuriya was batting at number 7,8,9, position for most of his carrier as a pinch hitter untill 1996 when he was promoted to open by ranatunga. Thats when he was expected to perform as a batsman.
So overall averages dont tell the whole story !
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
tooextracool said:
everyone knows averages dont necessarily mean much. anyone else remember the period around the 96 world cup in particular? 18 ODI hundreds and 57 50's? 188 sixes? SR of 90?
his average from 1996 onwards if 36.10 wich is not that much less than marcus, but sanath scored at a much higher strike rate when he was in his prime. Also Jayasuriya Originated and reinvented ODI batting strategy, of course with Arjuna's brains .... but only jayasuriya could have executed it that well.marc71178 said:
Legglancer
State Regular
let's see
Sanath Jayasuriya :-
ODI Batting Ave since 1996 = 36.10
ODI Runs scored = 9924 in 334 games at a strike rate above 90 untill captaincy.
ODI Bowling = 267 wickets @36.32
Innovated ODI batting strategy by his explosive opening partnaships
MVP 1996 world Cup
Some of his Records
Fastest all time ODI 50 (17 Balls)
3rd alltime Fastest ODI 100 (48 balls)
2nd highest all time ODI score of 189
2nd highest number of ODI career Sixers 188
Highest NUmber of runs in an over (30) against NZ and PAK
Highest munber of sixers in an innings (11)
amongt other's I havent even started on his bowling !
So mark tell me what Trscothick has done ?
Sanath Jayasuriya :-
ODI Batting Ave since 1996 = 36.10
ODI Runs scored = 9924 in 334 games at a strike rate above 90 untill captaincy.
ODI Bowling = 267 wickets @36.32
Innovated ODI batting strategy by his explosive opening partnaships
MVP 1996 world Cup
Some of his Records
Fastest all time ODI 50 (17 Balls)
3rd alltime Fastest ODI 100 (48 balls)
2nd highest all time ODI score of 189
2nd highest number of ODI career Sixers 188
Highest NUmber of runs in an over (30) against NZ and PAK
Highest munber of sixers in an innings (11)
amongt other's I havent even started on his bowling !
So mark tell me what Trscothick has done ?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
For a start, I only ever said as a batsman, but lets look at the numbers then:
Avg - SJ 31.90, MT 37.56 (OK, I admit the 40 was what he was last time I checked, but it's still a clear 5+runs)
S/R - SJ 88.57, MT 86.43
Tons - SJ 18 in 325, MT 9 in 99
50+ - SJ 75 in 325, MT 28 in 99
Add in that Trescothick averages more against all Test sides bar NZ and Bangladesh - and in most cases it's significantly more (look at Australia for an example).
Avg - SJ 31.90, MT 37.56 (OK, I admit the 40 was what he was last time I checked, but it's still a clear 5+runs)
S/R - SJ 88.57, MT 86.43
Tons - SJ 18 in 325, MT 9 in 99
50+ - SJ 75 in 325, MT 28 in 99
Add in that Trescothick averages more against all Test sides bar NZ and Bangladesh - and in most cases it's significantly more (look at Australia for an example).
Legglancer
State Regular
Read the previous posts and try answering again .... pointless going over the same suff that has been disproved !marc71178 said:
Comprehension, comprehension my friend !
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Disproved = ignored with own selective stats thrown up as a smokescreen?Legglancer said:Read the previous posts and try answering again .... pointless going over the same suff that has been disproved !
Comprehension, comprehension my friend !
Swervy
International Captain
Admittedly JS was a ground breaking batsman 10 years ago, who had some great success....Legglancer said:Suit Yourself .... Trsco is not good enough to be sanaths left toe !
Keep on dreaming !
However, I dont think there is much doubt that Trescothick performs more consistantly now...I think a fair indication of how the two have played are the records over the last 3 years (excluding B'desh games).
Trescothick averages 38.1 over the last 3 years(59 matches,2134 runs, 6 x 100's, 12 x 50's)...Jaya a shade under 34 (73 matches,2343 runs, 6 x 100's, 8 x 50's)...I would say the respective strike rates are about equal, maybe just in favour of Jaya.
But Trescothick plays more of his cricket in England which is undoubtedly a lower scoring environment than Asia, so that puts Trescothicks acheivements into a better light.
since the World Cup, Jaya has done very little.
So, I would take Trescothick over JS right now as an opener, but that isnt dissing Jaya in anyway. Trescothick is a very good ODI player and Jayasuriya's peak was quite a long time ago....but I still love watching him bat
Legglancer
State Regular
Swervy said:
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
You're a Yorkshireman, aren't you?PY said:
I'm the most evil person in the universe now am I?
Says it all for me.
Legglancer
State Regular
Here's a question ..... what records do you think we can expect from Tresco in the future???marc71178 said:
Jayasuriya is past his best but trescothick should be lucky if could achieve a fraction of Sanaths achievements,