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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    naturally*
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    Team of Jadejas vs Team of Ashwins

    Think we may have found the one thread where the answer isn't Jadeja* *Cos the answer is Jadejas
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    The Greatest Test Match Bowlers Analysis Results

    Did ChatGPT pick this list, or just write it? If it picked it, I'm curious where it got Walsh from. A number of wickets thing?
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    If you mean in general terms, cos bowling and batting averages approximately match. If you mean specifically, as I said, anything beyond them both taking a hit is conjecture. Bowlers and bats both get advantages and disadvantages from strong teammates. These mirror each other to some extent...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Are you misunderstanding this on purpose? A bowler averages 20 against a typical team. They average 25 against a great one. A bat averages 50 against a typical team. They average 40 against a great one. Team score does not change despite both their averages getting worse- you have removed the...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Bowlers will average more than their career averages. Bats less. This is pretty clear. Average team score is conjecture. I think maybe a little less typically, but you will see some huge scores in batting conditions, particularly against the weaker bowling lineups.
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Cricket is more difficult against stronger opponents. Not acknowledging this is one of the strangest hills to die on I've ever seen. Who do do think will strike faster: an ATG bowler who is bowling with (and against) a team of 3 year olds, or an ATG bowling with (and against) a team of ATGs?
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    I'm not seeing why this is a hard concept. A hypothetical ATG bowler struck at 50 against bats of average quality (who typically survived 80 balls) during their actual career. A hypothetical ATG bat typically survived 100 balls against bowlers of average quality (who typically struck at 60)...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Everyone suffers against better quality. That's clear. I'm not debating if bowlers or bats get hit worse, but the numbers will be somewhere between them. ATG bats get out faster than they did in the real world. ATG bowlers strike slower.
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    They will be striking at well above their career SRs due to batting quality. 60ish seems a reasonable approximation. Whatever the exact number, there will be plenty of times when you really want 15 or 20 overs from them. Imagine what something like a WI middle order will do to part-timers in...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Or a Miller :ph34r:
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Ignoring runouts and 5th bowlers, if these guys are striking at 60 against an ATG lineup, you need 50 overs a match on average per bowler to bowl a team out twice. Even Warne didn't bowl that much. These overs are not going to be evenly distributed across innings and matches. You are asking...
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    Rahul Dravid vs Graeme Pollock

    I voted on the question of greater test bat, which is a pretty easy question to answer in my book. I think Pollock was a better bat. The question of better test bats is going to give definitional problems in terms of which of the above it's closer to. I think Pollock performed better in tests...
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    Rahul Dravid vs Graeme Pollock

    I reckon you underestimate the level of self-confidence that top players have. Pollock would only have had to play until 35 to match Dravid's career length. His decline started around 38, and he was still by far the best bat in the rebel tours after that age. I can't see him saying this at all...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Aus definitely a notch above the others on paper in my eyes. But I think people seriously underestimate the extent to which a paper advantage will translate into results. The top teams are all trading wins a lot, and a number of teams are winning more at home than they lose against just about...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    It happened more than once. He averages 22 in FC, but only took around 2WPM. He was clearly a reluctant bowler. Him not applying himself was part of his brand of cricket. It caused him to butt heads with Bradman. He also had issues with Jonston. What exactly about his brand of cricket would be...
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Miller was called out by at least one captain as being unwilling to bowl enough, and many people think he didn't apply himself properly as a bat. How is this a mindet win?
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    Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?

    Sounds a lot like Kallis actually.
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    Virender Sehwag vs Clive Lloyd

    It's not just as easy/hard conditions. Familiarity and suitability of players from both teams is a big factor. Its really common for players to do better at home, even when we think of conditions as tough. Anyway, reasons not to take his away average at face value. Like longevity, softness of...
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    Rahul Dravid vs Graeme Pollock

    It's essentially all the tests their team played for a similar period of time, and is a fairly similar overall number. So pretty comparable. I don't think the wickets and runs tallies are that comparable though. I'd be more confident in O'reilly maintaining his record over more games.

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