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  1. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Thanks, I got it. You know, he says nothing of the sort of what you described in terms of deciding not to play after the ultimatum. Firstly, he says they weren't sure of what exactly was going on at first when they first emerged from the dressing room, and then he claims that after the...
  2. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Yeah, I think there's a fair chance, even if he only confirmed it in the dressing room when the officials came to report that Pakistan were ready to play -- hence my comment as to the narrative being "left open" to be filled in later. Like I said, if the umpires -did- award the game to...
  3. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    As my son is prone to saying... "Not working...". It's a help guide to using BBC audio. Maybe you missed a redirect?
  4. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Maybe - except that it still seems that nobody knows for sure whether the game was literally awarded to England. Cricinfo's text commentators seemed to read it at the time as play being abandoned for the day. And the ECB are still sketchy as to whether there's going to be more play in the test...
  5. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Wow, in person? He actually said that they fully intended to play, until the umpires demanded they play, and then they decided not to play? And he said he was aware the game had been forfeited, but Pakistan decided to play on regardless, just for the hell of it? And if they were emerging from...
  6. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    I don't know that I'd put a lot of stock in this account, really - it reads as confused, more than a little editorialised and hardly sounds like "the Pakistani version". Out of curiosity, who described the "we won't play now that you've given us an ultimatum" part? I just read on cricinfo that...
  7. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Well, it's never been a problem for me - he clearly thinks of himself as a martyr, and I think even his defenders (and I'm occasionally one) should be able to recognize that aspect of his behaviour. Ironically, he kinda reminds me of the scifi paradox trope where a guy travels backwards in time...
  8. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    So I don't know if we can really conclude much as to the status of the game, seeing as the ICC and ECB have yet to decide whether play will continue tomorrow. Which leaves us with two possibilities: a) the umpires didn't award the match to England (which would bring up the question of why they...
  9. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Good to see you too, Brumby. :) I do see a difference between looks at each other and some cursing on the field as opposed to a group of guys speaking freely in the dressing room though. Of course, it is quite possible that the decision wasn't theirs, as you say. I just don't find the fact...
  10. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Yeah, I don't really buy it either. They snapped, pure and simple, and weren't gonna come out. Then, possibly, commons sense prevailed, and they agreed to continue the match. I still think it's understandable, if not completely defendable. That it appears it was too late to continue the...
  11. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    Why's that so hard to believe? Often when you're spectacularly shafted (we can argue whether they're right or wrong on this when we know more, but they obviously believed so), you can be a little shellshocked, and out on the field of play, you don't really have the freedom to sit amongst...
  12. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    I reckon Pakistan's actions could be defended, up to a point. The problem in some ways is that everybody assumes that the players concerned know everything that was going on. But I don't think that anybody did, really (or does at this stage, even). At the outset, IMO, Pakistan were wrong not...
  13. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    I was up late working and following the game on cricinfo, and I found myself wondering what the good people at cricketweb were making of the situation. :) (I've been extremely busy in recent months and had a hell of a time accessing the site for quite a while back in Jan/Feb, so I kinda lost...
  14. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** Pakistan in England

    This is AWESOME.
  15. Slow Love™

    The Kumar Sangakkara Fan Club

    Well, he actually has the looks of a pop star, so on that count, it can't be a bad thing. It's just that if you slapped him, half his face would probably cave in. :)
  16. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** VB Series 2006

    Seemed strange to me, too. Symonds likes to pace himself early before he unleashes, and it looked like Ponting was indicating he had to keep the pace right up from the get-go - the only thing I could think of otherwise was that he thought they'd barely lose a wicket on that track, and he was...
  17. Slow Love™

    Racism - Social pariah or public consensus?

    Yeah mate, my youngest brother's one of 'em too (One Nation supporter). And he calls Asians "gooks". Unfortunately, with him, a lot went horribly wrong.
  18. Slow Love™

    Racism - Social pariah or public consensus?

    Well, he overtly said it, but I get your point. Anyhow, seeing as it's highly likely this thread will be locked (and this seems as contextual a place as any), I wanted to make a comment on your generalisations about Aussies over 50 being predominantly racist. In actual fact, people over the...
  19. Slow Love™

    Racism - Social pariah or public consensus?

    To be fair, it seems the problem might be that you earlier implied that it didn't matter whether those concerned were visitors or migrants in the context of being deported (and many of the South African expats in Perth have likely been settled for decades, anyhow). I thought it was Eddie that...
  20. Slow Love™

    ***Official*** VB Series 2006

    Ha ha, how many of us thought we'd be saying that after the Ashes? Actually, who am I kidding - we all probably knew it'd be on the cards. Having said that, I reckon Clark's done OK.

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