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    How Good Was Sydney F Barnes?

    As others have pointed out, there probably wasn't a typical Barnes ball. Barnes was noted for quickly assessing and "using" a pitch. His pace would have varied accordingly. Spofforth was said to possess a similar intelligence, and reports of his speed also varied, due partly to skill in...
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    How Good Was Sydney F Barnes?

    Ralph Barker was writing in 1967. He was a decent writer who did his research. Some of that research may well have involved the testimony of Barnes himself, who claimed he spun every ball. We will never know whether that was true but for a fast-medium bowler it seems unlikely. Spin-swerve was...
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    How Good Was Sydney F Barnes?

    Another observation from Warner was that with the new ball Barnes took wickets with an outswinger, delivered wide of the crease, that pitched on the stumps and kept going. It didn't cut or break, but people sometimes thought it had. The so-called Golden Age, 1894-1914, was a time when pitches...
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    How Good Was Sydney F Barnes?

    In Barnes' day, the bowling pioneers were the googly bowlers. He was not regarded as much different in method from his peers. Later there was confusion about his style. Pelham Warner saw plenty of Barnes and described him as a fast-medium bowler who aimed on or just outside off-stump, usually...
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    How Good Was Sydney F Barnes?

    Barnes was a very late developer. His early record in league cricket was not quite as exceptional as it was made out to be. Throughout Barnes' long career the most prestigious English league was the Lancashire League. His first stint in it lasted from 1895 until 1905, with a couple of seasons...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Attempting to summarise the data above. The first five batsmen appear set in stone, with Sehwag having replaced Merchant and Kohli ousting Hazare. Until fairly recently Mankad was an automatic choice, blocking Bedi. On paper Jadeja is a viable alternative, but journalists don't pick him...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    A few all-time India Test XIs from past and present: 1966 (Dicky Rutnagur): Merchant, Mushtaq Ali, Vijay Manjrekar, Hazare, CK Nayudu*, Lala Amarnath, Mankad, Amar Singh, Tamhane+, Nissar, Gupte. 1979 (Cricket Society members): Gavaskar*, Merchant, Mankad, Hazare, Viswanath, Engineer+, Kapil...
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    Does Ben Foakes have a legitimate case for Test selection?

    Yes his main rival was Murray who was regarded as the best keeper in the country. Like Knott, and unlike Evans and Bob Taylor, Murray preferred to stand back to medium-fast bowlers.
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    Does Ben Foakes have a legitimate case for Test selection?

    Isn't it a case of the difference between the top-class keeper, ignoring batting, geeing-up, tactical input, etc, and the guy short of the highest class behind the stumps who gets picked with these other factors in mind? Both can be specialist wicket-keepers, but they are different. Chris Read...
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    What was crickets best decade?

    Opinions differed, as you might expect. Pelham Warner – Larwood as fast as any in history and the most accurate. Pre-WW1, Kortright (similar to Larwood in pace) then Ernest Jones, Kotze and Cotter. Cyril Docker (AIF) in same bracket. Also later Constantine when at peak. Lockwood...
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    The Greatest ODI Innings of All Time

    The year before, Harris became only the fourth player, and the last to date, to complete the season's double in the Lancashire League. The competition goes back to 1892. The others to achieve the feat were Pepper, Hazare and Colin Miller.
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    There was quite a lot of narrative around the selection. The book claims to be the first-ever history of West Indian cricket. It was written by Christopher Nicole who is still alive and has written over 200 novels under various pseudonyms, including Peter Grange, Robin Cade and Alison York. The...
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    Interesting that Tarilton makes this team but not the West Indian one. Derek Lodge was a brilliant cricket statistician - perhaps the best. His write-ups really made the numbers come to life.
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    Sydney Smith was included in an all-time West Indian XI in 1957. It appeared in Guyanese-born Christopher Nicole's history. Challenor, Stollmeyer, Headley, Worrell, Walcott, Goddard*, Smith, Barrow+, Constantine, Martindale, Ramadhin. Reserves: Weekes, Gomez, McWatt+, Clifford Goodman, Valentine.
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    He has a very good record for Auckland certainly, but only played in New Zealand towards the end of his career from the age of 37. Born in Trinidad, he probably belongs to West Indies though most of his cricket was in England.
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    Grimmett played his first nine first-class matches for Wellington, taking 22 wickets at 30. Then moved to Australia in 1914. Four other New Zealanders born in the 19th century played Tests - Cyril Allcott, Fred Badcock, Matthew Henderson and Bert McGirr - but they were not included in the team...
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    New Zealand XI, all born in the 19th century. Lowry is the only member of this team who played Test cricket. Syd Hiddleston (Otago/Wellington) Lancelot Hemus (Auckland) Nessie Snedden (Auckland) Rupert Worker (Auckland/Canterbury/Otago/Wellington) Ces Dacre (Auckland) Tom Lowry*+...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Until the 1960s and well into the 1970s, English cricket writing in particular was set in the past. Led by the conservative-leaning Daily Telegraph and Cricketer magazine, it believed it was talking to older readers who were more interested in the cricketers of their youth, and those further...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Two more England teams from members of The Cricket Society, thirty years apart: 1949: Grace*, Hobbs, Ranjitsinhji, Hammond, Compton, Jackson, Ames+, Rhodes, Lockwood or Larwood, Richardson, Barnes. 1979: Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Grace*, Hammond, Compton, Rhodes, Knott+, Laker, Larwood or Richardson...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Some All-Time England XIs from the past: 1914 [AE Stoddart]: Grace, Hobbs, Shrewsbury, MacLaren, Jackson, Ranjitsinhji, Lockwood, Peel, Lohmann, MacGregor+, Barnes. 1932 [Pelham Warner & English team touring Australia]: Grace, Hobbs, Ranjitsinhji, Hammond, Woolley, Ames+, AG Steel, FR Foster...

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