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    Sydney Barnes vs Imran Khan

    There was nothing wrong with Australian pitches in Barnes' day. They were good for batting. Clem Hill averaged 53 for South Australia, Noble and Trumper 52 and 49 respectively for NSW. Dave Nourse (Dudley's father) averaged 60 in first-class cricket in Australia.
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    Greatest teams of all time.

    Good point. The 1953 and 1956 sides were well equipped for home matches in favourable conditions. In his West Indies 1954 end of tour report, Hutton made clear that Trueman, Lock and Laker were not in his plans for the following winter as none would be good enough on Australian pitches. Bedser...
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    Greatest teams of all time.

    The England one didn't. The deciding Test at The Oval in 1953 saw one change from this line-up: Lock for Statham. By the end of the following year all four specialist bowlers from The Oval had been discarded. Trueman, Bedser, Lock and Laker had been replaced by Tyson, Statham, Wardle and...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    CW Top 100 Cricketers distribution by eras above: 1877-1900: 3 1901-25: 7 1926-50: 14 1951-75: 21 1976-2000: 26 2001-24: 29
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    CW's 100 greatest players result | 2024

    The Woodcock and Martin-Jenkins Top 100s were accused of being Anglo-centric. However, Woodcock included 5 New Zealanders to CW's 3. And CMJ had more Pakistanis and double the number of Sri Lankans compared with CW. Players who appeared in both the Woodcock and CMJ lists but didn't receive a...
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    Heroes of the Heroes

    Should be 58.63, or maybe rounded up to 58.64.
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    Aubrey Faulkner vs Ravindra Jadeja

    Rhodes had an unusual career. He was a great bowler up to and including the 1903-04 tour of Australia. That trip took something out of him, as Lord Hawke knew it would when refusing to release Hirst and himself to tour two years earlier. Rhodes took more interest in batting and his bowling...
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    Heroes of the Heroes

    Touted at one time as the best player of fast bowling in the world. Swatted away bouncers wearing a sun hat.
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    Aubrey Faulkner vs Ravindra Jadeja

    Wouldn't say he was wrong. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and there will be others who agree with it. The outlier was Faulkner's series in Australia. He spent much of that tour batting in the nets getting used to the different surfaces. On one occasion he had to be called out to the...
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    Aubrey Faulkner vs Ravindra Jadeja

    Ten leading all-rounders of the early 20th century. First-class batting and bowling averages from 1900 until the outbreak of war in 1914. Batting Armstrong 45.72, Noble 42.41, Macartney 40.17, Dave Nourse 39.49, Hirst 38.36, Faulkner 37.42, Tarrant 36.19, Woolley 34.84, Rhodes 31.27, Sydney...
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    Heroes of the Heroes

    Wisden's editor refused to exclude the E v RoW "Tests" from the records until forced to do so by the almanack's editorial board in 1980.
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    Aubrey Faulkner vs Ravindra Jadeja

    Noble was considered a better batsman, particularly on rain-affected English pitches. As bowlers they were both innovators, with Noble an early exponent of swerve. Faulkner's standing as a bowler may have been a bit higher, except in Australia where he was less effective. Of the early googly...
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    Aubrey Faulkner vs Ravindra Jadeja

    He was a natural bowler. One of the best wrist-spinners pre-1914. Maybe just behind Vogler and Hordern. Made himself into a decent batsman through assiduous practice. Had an unorthodox technique and awkward chest-on style, but his defence was sound. Good in the slips or outfield. There were...
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    J Hobbs Vs Imran

    Professional cricket goes back more than 300 years. WG Grace was technically an amateur but earned more than £1 million from the game in today's money, at a time when there was no sponsorship. For a single tour to Australia in 1873-74, before the days of Test cricket, he was paid the equivalent...
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    Rohan Kanhai vs Alvin Kallicharan

    Question was fine and understood. Butcher not quite up with the other two but an interesting and underrated cricketer. His backlift, or rather a forward lift, completed a full circle before making contact with the ball.
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    Rohan Kanhai vs Alvin Kallicharan

    Basil Butcher had the highest FC average and the best underarm throw/flick from the boundary.
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    Ashwin v Laker v Verity v Grimmett

    Not sure why I would be biased against someone who was born in exactly the same place that I was. Robertson-Glasgow also wrote in Wisden that there were no great English bowlers in 1939: “two or three nearly great”. He reported on Verity's endurance in South Africa: “as ever extremely steady”...
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    Which cricketer is peer/pundit review most wrong on?

    Sobers would never have seen Sathasivam. Worrell played against him twice and was particularly impressed by an innings of 96 out of a Ceylon total of 153 against a Commonwealth XI in 1950. Sathasivam appeared in 11 first-class matches, averaging 41. He scored 111 against a full Indian side in...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Bradman was always considered a good captain. Well-prepared, tactically astute, with an eye for detail. Not all his teammates liked him. He was ruthless, which would be admired now, but wasn't always back then, especially just after the war when diplomacy and the spirit of the game were deemed...
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    WSC Records - How do you deal with them?

    To begin with, WSC wasn't taken seriously. Nobody turned up to watch, until the day/night gimmick was introduced. Official Tests against India drew large crowds. The operation was dubbed a "circus". Basically exhibition matches. There was also the issue of integrity, where every player on both...

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