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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    In this exercise Cardus referred to Bosanquet as an "unfulfilled pioneer" and put King in the same bracket. Cardus was a Lancashire supporter and a fan of Johnny Tyldesley whom he knew well. He named quite a few others who missed out, including Macartney, but not Hammond or Headley. When...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Macartney was first picked as a bowling all-rounder who could bat anywhere in the order. Got his chance as regular number 3 when players stayed at home in 1912 following a dispute with the board. It was a very wet English summer and Macartney batted well on the rain-damaged surfaces. Had mental...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    In terms of publicity yes. McGrath built a stronger reputation as a bowler than Davidson. But Davidson was a brilliant catcher at short-leg, nicknamed The Claw.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Davidson's absence from all the teams is not that surprising. In a lowish-scoring era his reputation never matched the numbers. He was unkindly labelled a duller version of Keith Miller, and considered a downgrade on the electric LIndwall/Miller combination. Davidson never took the new ball when...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Right up until the 1970s Charlie Macartney was widely considered one of the three greatest Australian batsmen. He modelled himself on Trumper, going for the bowling from the start, even on rain-damaged pitches which he handled well. His frequent requests to open the batting were usually turned...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Yes, not sure of the reasoning there. The logic behind picking one of them, as with Trumble, was probably to complement the leg-spinner by having someone to break the ball back into the right-handed batsman. Turner and Noble said that the fuller covering of Australian pitches from the 1920s...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Thanks. Hadn't realised that. The Roar picked a real all-time team in 2020 without the decade restrictions. There were three changes: Greg Chappell for Border, Spofforth for Turner, and McGrath for Gregory. Previous post amended.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Ten all-time Australian XIs from past and present: Pelham Warner and 1932 Tourists to Australia: Trumper, Macartney, Bradman, Hill, Giffen, Noble*, Armstrong, Jack Gregory, Oldfield+, Turner, Spofforth. Cricket Society 1949: Trumper, Ponsford, Bradman, Macartney, Hill, Noble*, Jack Gregory...
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    Why is it viewed as more important

    16 or 17 runs per match doesn't sound much. But it is the equivalent of picking a batsman averaging 42 instead of one averaging 50.
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    Harold Larwood vs Vernon Philander

    Indifferent health was almost the norm in Edwardian times. A leading British general observed that the male population was too under-nourished to fight a major war. Welfare reforms, including free school meals, followed. Many of Britain's leading footballers were described as thin or pale. The...
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    Why is it viewed as more important

    Despite his reputation for being understated, Benaud did exaggerate at times. However he was present at more Test matches than anybody (playing and watching) and may well have been at virtually all Simpson's games.
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    Harold Larwood vs Vernon Philander

    Ranji and Fry (average 50) played for Sussex. Their home ground at Hove was the best batting pitch in the country. But that doesn't explain everything. Ranji was a great batsman who excelled in various conditions and was an outstanding player of fast bowling. Fry wasn't in the same class. The...
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    Harold Larwood vs Vernon Philander

    This would be an interesting comparison.
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    Why is it viewed as more important

    Australian statistician Charles Davis's analysis of dropped catches showed that each missed chance in a Test match between 2008 and 2016 cost an average of 33 runs. 29% of slip chances were missed. According to Benaud, Bob Simpson dropped only one slip catch during his entire Test career. He...
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    Harold Larwood vs Vernon Philander

    6% of Larwood's first-class appearances were in Tests. 78% of Kohli's have been. In Larwood's day and long after, many so-called Test teams were weaker than the better first-class sides. A number of batsmen developed mysterious ailments when due to play against Larwood in the county...
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    Is James Anderson an ATG test bowler?

    Personal view is that Anderson and Trueman are similar and neither are ATGs. Barnes is well ahead of both. There are likenesses between Anderson and Trueman. Both mastered favourable home conditions. Their overall numbers lead them to be overrated. At their statistical peaks neither was fast...
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    Like Leyland, Paynter was picked as a left-hander to counter Australian leg-spin. Both justified their selections. Paynter should have been chosen to tour Australia in 1936-37 but wasn't. It was said that only three batsmen consistently got the better of Bill O'Reilly: Leyland, Hassett and the...
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    Best 'bad fielders' XI

    Michael Vaughan.
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    Hammond vs Kallis

    It is nothing to do with Cricinfo. Data is taken from scorecards from Cricket Archive. Hammond's scores when each of these bowlers were in the opposition. It doesn't indicate how many runs he took off each bowler, just off their team. It is known from match reports, however, that he was...
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    Hammond vs Kallis

    Hammond's first-class averages (including Tests) against arguably the top ten fast bowlers of his time. Based on runs he scored when they were playing for the opposition. Dismissals by each bowler in brackets. Nissar: 110 (1) Voce: 97 (4) McDonald: 71 (5) Martindale: 52 (2) Gregory: 49 (2)...
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