ODI All Rounder Poll - Discussions

[CricAddict]

Shahid Afridi is under 1 wpm. Vettori is 1.03 wpm

Ha ha. He has already accepted that it was wrong to impose that restriction. Leave him alone.

 

[ankitj]

Ha ha. He has already accepted that it was wrong to impose that restriction. Leave him alone.

Ok I haven't read the entire thread.

 

[Qlder]

Seeing votes for Viv Richards I thought I'd look up Greg Chappell. Turns out Chappell has a fantastic ODI allrounder record, albeit only 74 matches

Chappell: 2331 runs @ 40.18, 3 hundreds, 14 fifties, 72 wkts @ 29.12, econ 4.04, SR 43.1, 2-5W

 

[Qlder]

Time for Richard Hadlee as a "bowling allrounder"

There are only 3 players that have a bowling average < 25 and batting average > 20. Two of them are voted in as top 2 (Flintoff and Pollock), while the 3rd is Richard Hadlee

 

[Line and Length]

I think a batting average of >20 is setting a rather low bar. Having said that, Kapil Dev made the list with an average <25

 

[Qlder]

I think a batting average of >20 is setting a rather low bar. Having said that, Kapil Dev made the list with an average <25

I agree >20 is low but if Kapil made #3 with a 23.79 batting average then that low bar has already been set. Hadlee's 21.61 batting is not that far off Kapil and he's a much greater bowler to offset the batting difference.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Dunno why Chris Cairns is getting so many votes. There are several NZ allrounders better than or equal to him (Harris, Oram, Santner, Hadlee, Styris, and Astle) as well as Phillips and M Bracewell, although the latter two probably haven't played enough.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Seeing votes for Viv Richards I thought I'd look up Greg Chappell. Turns out Chappell has a fantastic ODI allrounder record, albeit only 74 matches

Chappell: 2331 runs @ 40.18, 3 hundreds, 14 fifties, 72 wkts @ 29.12, econ 4.04, SR 43.1, 2-5W

The events of 1 Feb, 1981 make him ineligible for this poll.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dunno why Chris Cairns is getting so many votes. There are several NZ allrounders better than or equal to him (Harris, Oram, Santner, Hadlee, Styris, and Astle) as well as Phillips and M Bracewell, although the latter two probably haven't played enough.

I think a knock off effect from his Test record

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Hadlee is getting underrated
Cairns deserves a mention due to the 2000 CT
Kallis alone made South Africa win the 1998 CT, 32 Man of the Matches... Only cricketer to feature in top 10 run scorers and wicket takers in CT history... All though no stand out performance still a good WC record
Afridi for his sheer longevity... Nearly 400 wickets, once an opener and scored the fastest 100 then

 

[Qlder]

The events of 1 Feb, 1981 make him ineligible for this poll.

It's not a "captaincy" or "spirit of cricket" poll

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Cairns deserves a mention due to the 2000 CT

Yes, but Harris scored 130 against Australia in 96 WC and was a better bowler and fielder than Cairns.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Seeing votes for Viv Richards I thought I'd look up Greg Chappell. Turns out Chappell has a fantastic ODI allrounder record, albeit only 74 matches

Chappell: 2331 runs @ 40.18, 3 hundreds, 14 fifties, 72 wkts @ 29.12, econ 4.04, SR 43.1, 2-5W

Yeah I remember being a bit surprised by this a few years back. He was the #1 ODI allrounder in the ICC rankings for much of his career.

 

[ankitj]

All this tells me that ODI all rounders list should stop at 10-15 players at best.

 

[Sunil1z]

I think a batting average of >20 is setting a rather low bar. Having said that, Kapil Dev made the list with an average <25

My mandatory post whenever someone underestimates Kapil as ODI all rounder

Highest Peak ratings as ODI allrounder according to ICC ratings ( I understand it has its flaws)
Second highest peak rating is of Greg Chappell iirc . And 3rd highest of Flintoff . All based on memory because I checked it 4-5 years ago .

 

[Sunil1z]

Dunno why Chris Cairns is getting so many votes. There are several NZ allrounders better than or equal to him (Harris, Oram, Santner, Hadlee, Styris, and Astle) as well as Phillips and M Bracewell, although the latter two probably haven't played enough.

For players like Cairns and Pandya (who I think will also be mentioned if another list is made 4-5 year from now ),stats don’t tell the full story. Cairns was a massive power hitter who opposition feared .
Plus Cairns does deserve the respect for his CT 2000 final knock

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I think an average of ~23.8 is absolutely acceptable, for reasons that don't relate to Kapil Dev.

 

[Qlder]

Fun Fact: overall ODI batting average is 28.10

Doesn't that mean someone averaging ~23 could be considered a below average bat

(overall ODI bowling average is 32.26)

 

[Sunil1z]

Fun Fact: overall ODI batting average is 28.10

Doesn't that mean someone averaging ~23 could be called a below average bat

Imo in ODIs you should also consider SR for openers and lower order batsmen .

 

[trundler]

I think an average of ~23.8 is absolutely acceptable, for reasons that don't relate to Kapil Dev.

Funnily enough I don't rate Kapil's batting because of having to live through the career of another player who averaged 23.xx