Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

[sayon basak]

Yeah, didn't know this thread existed.

He's still in that tier 1.

But in terms of arguments to be the GOAT, I've never seen an argument placed forward for it. That was the premise of that post in response to something Johan posted.

Fair.

 

[Coronis]

This was done less than a year ago, but hues someone is trying to prove a point.

This forum has an elevated view of bowling all rounders and the result of this poll was only going to go one direction, but I agree fully with your post.

Marshall is the guaranteed 3rd name of my AT team sheet. I know @Coronis goes with Gilchrist, but combined with the fact that the first two are batsman, the importance of the position and some may philosophically prefer Knott as the better keeper, I would go Marshall. There's no competition between your premier strike bowler and wicket keeper.

There's no more important role in cricket than your strike bowler, and in this any any comp not including Bradman, I'm going Marshall.

So you’d pick Marshall before Sobers? Does this also mean there’s an argument for Marshall with Bradman like there is for Sobers?

 

[subshakerz]

So you’d pick Marshall before Sobers? Does this also mean there’s an argument for Marshall with Bradman like there is for Sobers?

Lol he also rates Sobers ahead for Bradman as a cricketer, so I don't know how he squares that circle.

And he puts Marshall number three. He is inflating Marshalls reputation which is odd given how he supposedly values pundit opinion.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Honestly a really ridiculous argument, and one of your worst and you've had some bad ones. So...

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Whatever BS you say..The difference is HUGE.
Hadlee is a league above Marshall as a batsman.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Basically Marshall's entire career, including almost an exact date match. But taking more WPM, cheaper, and not getting dropped a whole lot on the back of poor perfomances at the start.

Posted just before Kyear decided to downgrade Hadlee to tier 2. I reckon I may have to downgrade Marshall to tier 3

As I understand it, this is @kyear2's current classification scheme:

Tier 1 GOAT A: Marshall
Tier 1 GOAT B: McGrath
Tier 1 non-GOAT: Hadlee

or it could be:

Tier 1 GOAT 1: Marshall
Tier 1 GOAT 2: McGrath
Tier 1 non-GOAT: Hadlee

This is my current (and forever more) classification scheme:

GOAT: Hadlee
non-GOAT: every other MFer

 

[Sliferxxxx]

All of you on Kyears case are full of it. A week ago, and most of you know the thread, an idiot was on here rating Kapil Dev above every wi batsmen from the 70s/80s vs spin. That same genius rated about dozen contemporary players over Lara vs spin. Some of the same people giving kyear a hard time said zilch. So kindly give the hypocrisy a rest. Fwiw, kyear and i disagree on quite a few things and aren't afraid to let each other know respectfully.....

 

[akilana]

Kyears tiers should be taken with a pinch of salt. They are built around securing his favorites.

what do you do differently? use a check list to rate players and move your goal posts as you please.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

what do you do differently? use a check list to rate players and move your goal posts as you please.

FACTS

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Kyears tiers should be taken with a pinch of salt. They are built around securing his favorites.

Umm we all do it.

 

[subshakerz]

Umm we all do it.

Are you his defense attorney or something lol.

All of you on Kyears case are full of it. A week ago, and most of you know the thread, an idiot was on here rating Kapil Dev above every wi batsmen from the 70s/80s vs spin. That same genius rated about dozen contemporary players over Lara vs spin. Some of the same people giving kyear a hard time said zilch. So kindly give the hypocrisy a rest. Fwiw, kyear and i disagree on quite a few things and aren't afraid to let each other know respectfully.....

You are being disingenuous. Kyear outright called Kapil an average bowler and suggested it was inconceivable a team would pick Kapil over Walsh. And he was rightly blasted for that take. Let folks fight their own fights but if you can't then at least represent the arguments properly.

 

[subshakerz]

what do you do differently? use a check list to rate players and move your goal posts as you please.

I thought I got accused of overdoing peer rating?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Are you his defense attorney or something lol.

Could say the same about you and that Mig fellow....

 

[subshakerz]

Could say the same about you and that Mig fellow....

Huh? Not sure which take I was defending of his, all I said is that if we diverge so much I don't see the point arguing with him.

Whereas you are misrepresenting the critique of Kyear on Kapil vs Walsh.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Huh? Not sure which take I was defending of his, all I said is that if we diverge so much I don't see the point arguing with him.

That's a cop out and you know it. But whatever. Moving on...

 

[capt_Luffy]

All of you on Kyears case are full of it. A week ago, and most of you know the thread, an idiot was on here rating Kapil Dev above every wi batsmen from the 70s/80s vs spin. That same genius rated about dozen contemporary players over Lara vs spin. Some of the same people giving kyear a hard time said zilch. So kindly give the hypocrisy a rest. Fwiw, kyear and i disagree on quite a few things and aren't afraid to let each other know respectfully.....

Like what Migara said was so atrocious there was no point. Like, are you seriously asking why we didn't argue Viv, Lloyd and Kallicharran played spin better than Kapil ****ing Dev??? Migara was gone and dusted soon anyways. And the fact that Kyear somehow managed to say Hammond's fielding>Kapil's batting after that, like where do I even begin with this......

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Like what Migara said was so atrocious there was no point. Like, are you seriously asking why we didn't argue Viv, Lloyd and Kallicharran played spin better than Kapil ****ing Dev??? Migara was gone and dusted soon anyways. And the fact that Kyear somehow managed to say Hammond's fielding>Kapil's batting after that, like where do I even begin with this......

That's not all he said. He listed damn near what 15 players greater vs spin than Lara. That's bs. But anyways let's ignore Mig and jump all over kyear because he denigrated a player you rate....smh

 

[sayon basak]

That's not all he said. He listed damn near what 15 players greater vs spin than Lara. That's bs. But anyways let's ignore Mig and jump all over kyear because he denigrated a player you rate....smh

Comparing Kyear2 to Migara is not favouring Kyear at all lol.

And saying that Migara's takes are bs is nothing new.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's not all he said. He listed damn near what 15 players greater vs spin than Lara. That's bs. But anyways let's ignore Mig and jump all over kyear because he denigrated a player you rate....smh

If you truly had read the posts I made post that, I think you can clearly see how much **** that opinion I considered. And like, do you really want us to debate with the guy who thinks Kapil played spin better than Viv??? Not to mention, he was soon gone. Kyear made Outta point to talk how he can't understand Kapil over Walsh in any situation, how Hammond's fielding is more valuable than Kapil's batting and ****ing still rates Sobers over Don!!
So what I am saying is, we (atleast I) just ignore Migara mostly. No point in debating with him. Same with Akilana, kinda with PFK. Do you want us to do the same with Kyear??

 

[Sliferxxxx]

If you truly had read the posts I made post that, I think you can clearly see how much **** that opinion I considered. And like, do you really want us to debate with the guy who thinks Kapil played spin better than Viv??? Not to mention, he was soon gone. Kyear made Outta point to talk how he can't understand Kapil over Walsh in any situation, how Hammond's fielding is more valuable than Kapil's batting and ****ing still rates Sobers over Don!!
So what I am saying is, we (atleast I) just ignore Migara mostly. No point in debating with him. Same with Akilana, kinda with PFK. Do you want us to do the same with Kyear??

Tbh it's more directed at Subz than you.

 

[subshakerz]

Do you want us to do the same with Kyear??

Kyear has put me in ignore mode lol I think. Ever since he thinks I called him a racist. Poor guy but that's weak sauce.