Actually that is how it works.
well that's just a display of you being logically inept and too incompetent to understand the implication of the statements that you make.
It depends on what criteria you think Pakistan side of late 80s are selected. You have three options, current form, historic performances, or extrapolating quality using the whole careers (that includes future performances). What ever the metric you argue to select Pakistani team applies to Botham too. Otherwise it is a disingenuous effort. The fact is Botham neither on current form , nor on historic performances nor future performances.
once again, I should not be asked to teach you basic language, as you said
"Pakistan side of late 80s" that's it, there is no choice to be made, no extrapolation, no discussion, We're talking about a real side that existed and played Cricket and we've everything on them in real life data, there's no point of hypothetical discussions or whatever, the reality is that Imran barely bowled after 88, before 88 they didn't have an amazing third pacer nor an amazing batting, you cannot put hypotheticals on "Pakistan side of the 1980s" as that side already exists, you said Ian Botham would not make the team, so obviously for Botham we'd go by general career instead of peak or washed days, as you never specified that.
Wasim, Waqar and Imran trump Botham in every metric what ever the way you select it.
On hypotheticals, Yes. but the actual Pakistan team you're referencing? again, No, because Botham is walking in.
And Botham is not going to replace spinners on Pakistani pitches. Only guy he can make over is Ramiz Raja, but Botham is not an opener. He is not going to replace Miandad, Malik, Shoaib Mohammed, or Imran Kahn in the middle order. who average 40+ with the bat in 85-92 period.
again, Pre Waqar he makes it in as the third pacer and a clear overseas choice over Qadir (who was garbage overseas), by the time Waqar got good, the batting is terrible enough and Imran is bowling so little that he's making it in both ways, now you're free to ramble on about a non existent Pakistani side all you want, it would change nothing, but as clearly shown, Botham easily makes any side in history.
You don't need Botham when you have Pollock or Steyn in the team. Similar averaging different bowlers of Ntini and Morkel always fits the bill. Stryn / Morlel / P:hilander or Pollock / Steyn / Ntini. Botham has no place to break in. Not even as the fourth seamer when Kallis is around. It is so simple as that.
Not even close, not only is Ntini not different enough but he's terrible overseas and not necessarily better than Botham with the new ball, and then you have Botham's batting, he's effortlessly making it in over Ntini, not even a point of discussion. Morkel is also an inferior bowler and a proper number 10, he also has 19 less fifers than Beefy in 8 less innings, Botham is again easily making it over Morkel (he's making it over him as a bowler alone infact) and Philander, while good, was injury prone and ineffective on unhelpful wickets and often hidden from bowling on them. Botham in helpful conditions is the third bowler for Steyn/Vern, in unhelpful he's the second bowler with Steyn, he's making it over Morkel in any condition, and he's making it over Ntini in any condition and always opening the bowling with Pollock.
It is so simple as that.
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Late 80s Pakistan has Imran and Wasim on performance and Waqar on talent. Where do you think Botham is going to fit in bowling?
not only was Waqar practically a nobody until the 1990 New Zealand series where Botham makes it as the third pacer (he's better than Aqib Javed), they had no great third pacer until Imran heavily pulled back on bowling. the only series where Waqar was good and Imran played was the 91 West Indies series where Imran bowled in one game out of three. Once again, he's the third pacer as Imran is barely bowling by that point.
Then they had Miandead, Shoaib Mohammed and Salim Malik in 4 - 6 positions on performance and Inzamam ul Haq on talent.
Akram Raza (56 avg bowler) and Zahid Fazal say hi, if you're gonna knight for Pakistan so hard atleast know what the sides were
Considereing he has never opened and one of the openers was Aamir Sohail who was scoring heavily, he has no place in batting too. Not in batting, not in bowling. No place in the team.
Yeah because Aaqib Javed is a completely sustainable and preffered third bowler over Ian Botham lmao, just joke arguments from your end at this point man, I'm sure you'd pick Salim Jaffer as the third pacer in India series like Pakistan did in 1986, or Manzoor Elahi and Rizwan Uz Zaman as a batter, but Pakistan would take Botham happily for either of his all round services at the time, perfect third pacer, legendary slip (which you represent as a problem for Pakistani pacers) and more than good lower order batter.
I told you, I took that as a concession already, no need to cry about it.
Lol, just another set of failed arguments.
I get it, you ran out of arguments, better luck next time.
