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Viv Richards vs steve smith

Who had better peak

  • Viv

    Votes: 15 39.5%

  • Smith

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Total voters
    38
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Bert

Cricket Spectator
No doubting Marshall's lethality, but he was the most luckiest of the lot finding himself nicely placed between the leaders of the pace attack Roberts, Holding, Croft, Garner and Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh who had to close out the renowned pace attack and thus WI dominance.
Quite different from Imran who was the 1st genuine fastie from the SC or Hadlee who led NZ single-handedly in the absence of any decent support
 
govinda indian fan

govinda indian fan

State Captain
DrWolverine said:
With the exception of Marshall, most great fast bowlers have certain flaws in their record.

Hadlee - Medicore record against Pak. Avg of 28.3 in 12 Tests.

McGrath - Mediocre record against the best opponent he faced(SA). Lack of penetration in Asian pitches - Just 1 Fer in 17 Tests.

Ambrose - He did not play much in Asia. Just 6 Tests. Didn’t play in India. Avg 38 against India.

Steyn - Batting era or not, averaged 31 against England. Avg of 29 in Aus & 32 in England.

Donald - Mediocre against the best team of his era(Aus). Averaged just 28 in Australia.

Imran - Away record isn’t as impressive as home record. Avg of 28 in Aus and 28 in India.

Lillee - The most influential fast bowler played only 5 Tests outside Aus/England/NZ.

Garner - Played 50 out of 58 Tests in Aus/Eng/WI. Did not play in India. Played only 3 Tests in Asia.

Holding - Avg of 35 in NZ in 7 Tests.
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Add to that
Bumrah- bad record vs nz
Cummins- bad record in india and sl
Rabada- bad record in asia
Anderson - worest record vs Australia
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Bert said:
No doubting Marshall's lethality, but he was the most luckiest of the lot finding himself nicely placed between the leaders of the pace attack Roberts, Holding, Croft, Garner and Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh who had to close out the renowned pace attack and thus WI dominance.
Quite different from Imran who was the 1st genuine fastie from the SC or Hadlee who led NZ single-handedly in the absence of any decent support
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When Marshall first entered the team, Holding was the leader of the attack, that didn't last past '83.

Marshall was the greatest of and the leader of the attack until Ambrose took over around 1990.

He hardly played with Croft, Garner was definitely Marshall's no. 2, Walsh didn't become Walsh until well after Marshall retired.
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

U19 Vice-Captain
kyear2 said:
When Marshall first entered the team, Holding was the leader of the attack, that didn't last past '83.

Marshall was the greatest of and the leader of the attack until Ambrose took over around 1990.

He hardly played with Croft, Garner was definitely Marshall's no. 2, Walsh didn't become Walsh until well after Marshall retired.
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Here's the thing, even with all that, for a big stretch Marshall was taking wickets at the same rate per match as Hadlee and Lillee. That alone is amazing to me.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Sliferxxxx said:
Here's the thing, even with all that, for a big stretch Marshall was taking wickets at the same rate per match as Hadlee and Lillee. That alone is amazing to me.
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Also happened to be the stretch when the team was arguably the greatest ever.

He drove the bus.
 
Kirkut

Kirkut

International Regular
Coronis said:
Well lemme look at this a bit more indepth.

(I’m only looking at post-WWI, we all know wickets before then were more bowling friendly)

Overall batting average post WWI - 30.54 (if I took the overall test average including pre war, the 2020’s would be considered average and every other decade besides the 50’s batting friendly)

Batting Averages by Decade post WWI

1920s - 31.88
1930s - 31.12
1940s - 34.26
1950s - 27.38
1960s - 30.81
1970s - 30.76
1980s - 30.45
1990s - 29.45
2000s - 32.02
2010s - 31.12
2020s - 28.68

From this I have deduced..

Greatest batsman in the toughest era - Walcott in the 50’s 3129 @ 61.35
Greatest bowler in the toughest era - Johnston in the 40’s 54 @ 18.51
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Wouldn't argue that, just hoping the data justifies facts.
 
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