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Viv Richards vs steve smith

Who had better peak

  • Viv

    Votes: 15 39.5%

  • Smith

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Total voters
    38
Johan

Johan

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
Most teams bar WI in the 80s were pure mid
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agree mostly, England post beefy decline/willis retirement was pretty mid, Australia did get good at end with Mcdermott/Hughes/Reid but their mid 80s attack is mid, India is India, Pakistan was good with Imran and then Wasim/Qadir in mid 80s, NZ was Hadlee + decent support bowlers so I guess only Pak, NZ and WI were decent while the big three were struggling.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Johan said:
agree mostly, England post beefy decline/willis retirement was pretty mid, Australia did get good at end with Mcdermott/Hughes/Reid but their mid 80s attack is mid, India is India, Pakistan was good with Imran and then Wasim/Qadir in mid 80s, NZ was Hadlee + decent support bowlers so I guess only Pak, NZ and WI were decent while the big three were struggling.
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Basically WI were arguably the best to ever exist, 2 teams were dragged around by two top 5 ATGs and rest were mid.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Johan said:
Yeah, also feel like most bowlers of the time were also kinda HTBs
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Still are really. Probs even more. Look at Cummins, Rabada, Anderson, Ashwin, Jadeja, Hazlewood, Broad, Philander at home and compare with away. Heck even Roach, Holder, Woakes, Jayasuriya, and a plethora of mid Indian spinners and Saffa pacers have ATG numbers at home.
 
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Johan

Johan

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
Still are really. Probs even more. Look at Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin, Jadeja, Hazlewood, Broad, Philander at home and compare with away. Heck even Roach, Holder, Woakes, Jayasuriya, and a plethora of mid Indian spinners and Saffa pacers have ATG numbers at home.
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tbh Broad is more a condition bully than a home bully but yeah these days is actually worse, look at Roach's home numbers for an example, 196 @ 22.3 witb 46 SR.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
McGrath, Hadlee, Ambrose, Warne, Bumrah, Wasim and ofc 4 horsemen of pacocalypse are probably the only ATG bowlers no one can label to have records tilted unconventionally home way even a bit post War.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Kirkut said:
??

Not to forget, isn't the common belief floating around here that the 70s and 80s were among most bowling friendly eras?
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Well lemme look at this a bit more indepth.

(I’m only looking at post-WWI, we all know wickets before then were more bowling friendly)

Overall batting average post WWI - 30.54 (if I took the overall test average including pre war, the 2020’s would be considered average and every other decade besides the 50’s batting friendly)

Batting Averages by Decade post WWI

1920s - 31.88
1930s - 31.12
1940s - 34.26
1950s - 27.38
1960s - 30.81
1970s - 30.76
1980s - 30.45
1990s - 29.45
2000s - 32.02
2010s - 31.12
2020s - 28.68

From this I have deduced..

Greatest batsman in the toughest era - Walcott in the 50’s 3129 @ 61.35
Greatest bowler in the toughest era - Johnston in the 40’s 54 @ 18.51
 
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DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International Debutant
With the exception of Marshall, most great fast bowlers have certain flaws in their record.

Hadlee - Medicore record against Pak. Avg of 28.3 in 12 Tests.

McGrath - Mediocre record against the best opponent he faced(SA). Lack of penetration in Asian pitches - Just 1 Fer in 17 Tests.

Ambrose - He did not play much in Asia. Just 6 Tests. Didn’t play in India. Avg 38 against India.

Steyn - Batting era or not, averaged 31 against England. Avg of 29 in Aus & 32 in England.

Donald - Mediocre against the best team of his era(Aus). Averaged just 28 in Australia.

Imran - Away record isn’t as impressive as home record. Avg of 28 in Aus and 28 in India.

Lillee - The most influential fast bowler played only 5 Tests outside Aus/England/NZ.

Garner - Played 50 out of 58 Tests in Aus/Eng/WI. Did not play in India. Played only 3 Tests in Asia.

Holding - Avg of 35 in NZ in 7 Tests.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
With the exception of Marshall, most great fast bowlers have certain flaws in their record.

Hadlee - Medicore record against Pak. Avg of 28.3 in 12 Tests.

McGrath - Mediocre record against the best opponent he faced(SA). Lack of penetration in Asian pitches - Just 1 Fer in 17 Tests.

Ambrose - He did not play much in Asia. Just 6 Tests. Didn’t play in India. Avg 38 against India.

Steyn - Batting era or not, averaged 31 against England. Avg of 29 in Aus & 32 in England.

Donald - Mediocre against the best team of his era(Aus). Averaged just 28 in Australia.

Imran - Away record isn’t as impressive as home record. Avg of 28 in Aus and 28 in India.

Lillee - The most influential fast bowler played only 5 Tests outside Aus/England/NZ.

Garner - Played 50 out of 58 Tests in Aus/Eng/WI. Did not play in India. Played only 3 Tests in Asia.

Holding - Avg of 35 in NZ in 7 Tests.
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Bumrah - 0 10’fers in 45 tests.
 
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