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Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Molehill said:
Certain players really not justifying their places - Salt and Livingstone should be gone. Brook should be on a warning. If there were any viable alternatives I'd be looking for a new captain (but there aren't really). Needs to be a clear out following the CT.
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Youve completely missed the problem. Livingstones a problem but salt's averaged 30 @125 this series and averages 35 @120 across his career. He's fine. The one decent thing England have done this series is biff it in the 1st 10. Brooks averaging 37 @ run a ball in odi, that's fine for a #4/5 even if he's got issues.

Rashid was England's only decent bowler this series. Buttlers coming off a terrible 2023 WC and averaged 30 @80. Roots averaged 30 after 5 years of being terrible in ODI and not being arsed to play half the time. The latter two guys are England greats and could turn it around tommorow, but as we stand right now there Liabilities. Same with the bowling.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Nintendo said:
Youve completely missed the problem. Livingstones a problem but salt's averaged 30 @125 this series and averages 35 @120 across his career. He's fine. The one decent thing England have done this series is biff it in the 1st 10. Brooks averaging 37 @ run a ball in odi, that's fine for a #4/5 even if he's got issues.

Rashid was England's only decent bowler this series. Buttlers coming off a terrible 2023 WC and averaged 30 @80. Roots averaged 30 after 5 years of being terrible in ODI and not being arsed to play half the time. The latter two guys are England greats and could turn it around tommorow, but as we stand right now there Liabilities. Same with the bowling.
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You've highlighted a key problem of Salt's though, his inability to go on. In his 29 innings he has one ton (Netherlands) but also only 4 single digit scores. He gets starts but never converts (see Gill today). I just don't think he's cut out for International Cricket, pretty little 30's simply don't win matches.
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Molehill said:
You've highlighted a key problem of Salt's though, his inability to go on. In his 29 innings he has one ton (Netherlands) but also only 4 single digit scores. He gets starts but never converts (see Gill today). I just don't think he's cut out for International Cricket, pretty little 30's simply don't win matches.
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Him maximizing the powerplay is the one decent thing England are doing atm. Even if he doesn't go on, feels a bit daft to put him under the microscope when he's not the problem. The problem is the guys who get paid to bat past the powerplay (root, buttler) have been rubbish for various lengths of time. Usually means Livingstone and the tail walk to the crease way too early and do the opposite of their ideal job.

I think this all stems back to the bowling. England go into every game knowing all their bowlers bar rashid are rubbish outside the new ball so they've gotta go extra hard or chase above par totals.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Nintendo said:
Him maximizing the powerplay is the one decent thing England are doing atm. Even if he doesn't go on, feels a bit daft to put him under the microscope when he's not the problem. The problem is the guys who get paid to bat past the powerplay (root, buttler) have been rubbish for various lengths of time. Usually means Livingstone and the tail walk to the crease way too early and do the opposite of their ideal job.

I think this all stems back to the bowling. England go into every game knowing all their bowlers bar rashid are rubbish outside the new ball so they've gotta go extra hard or chase above par totals.
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I agree with you to an extent re the bowling, but the way to create totals that can be defended is not like this. It's worth noting how in this series when one opener has got out, the other has soon followed (4, 14 and 30 balls), all after making good starts. If you're 75-1 after 10 overs you can go easy for a bit, keep wickets in hand and then go hard at the end. A strong finish often gives momentum too and impacts the chase. But they're falling into the same trap every time. I agree that the bowling has severe issues, but let's not ignore that Salt (and Duckett to a lesser extent) is not learning from his mistakes.
 
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kevinw

International Debutant
Different format I know but I tar this side wi
Nintendo said:
Him maximizing the powerplay is the one decent thing England are doing atm. Even if he doesn't go on, feels a bit daft to put him under the microscope when he's not the problem. The problem is the guys who get paid to bat past the powerplay (root, buttler) have been rubbish for various lengths of time. Usually means Livingstone and the tail walk to the crease way too early and do the opposite of their ideal job.

I think this all stems back to the bowling. England go into every game knowing all their bowlers bar rashid are rubbish outside the new ball so they've gotta go extra hard or chase above par totals.
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We were chasing 350 but were 80-2 off 9 and the game was done at that point because Salt and Duckett have no patience.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
kevinw said:
Not even 35 overs. Bowled out in every game in both formats. Embarrassing.
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If you include the test series from earlier in 2024 I think you were bowled out in every innings in India across 5 Tests (10 innings), 5 T20Is, and 3 ODIs. Its kinda impressive.
 
Chin Music

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
Silly Point 2.0 said:
Pietersen saying he thinks only Root has had regular nets during this series. Can't say I'm even surprised tbh. The lack of professionalism is incredible. Bet they've had rounds of bloody golf every day though.
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Their reasoning for this is that the travelling between venues between games has been quite strenuous. They went from Nagpur (central) to Cuttack (east), to Ahmedabad (north west). I can understand that it would wipe out the following day after the game, but you would have thought they would do some netting on the day before the next game.
 
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kevinw

International Debutant
Chin Music said:
Their reasoning for this is that the travelling between venues between games has been quite strenuous. They went from Nagpur (central) to Cuttack (east), to Ahmedabad (north west). I can understand that it would wipe out the following day after the game, but you would have thought they would do some netting on the day before the next game.
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The opposition did the same travel.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
The_Rey said:
This is a v good point - the excuses from this lazy, dislikeable, hubristic England side just don't wash.
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Apart from the fact that India didn't net either before the 3rd ODI. But when you've already won the series there's less pressure on you to perform in the final one.

Apparently, Banton turned up the day before this ODI and headed straight out onto the golf course rather than net. He actually turned out to be one of the better performers, but just sums up the ethic in the squad. You can get away with it if you're winning, but (as the Women found out too), they've lost public sentiment now.
 
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kevinw

International Debutant
Molehill said:
Apart from the fact that India didn't net either before the 3rd ODI. But when you've already won the series there's less pressure on you to perform in the final one.

Apparently, Banton turned up the day before this ODI and headed straight out onto the golf course rather than net. He actually turned out to be one of the better performers, but just sums up the ethic in the squad. You can get away with it if you're winning, but (as the Women found out too), they've lost public sentiment now.
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I am so glad I didn't pay the obscene amounts Lords wanted for wickets next Summer. I almost want India to absolutely smash us so the Key/Stokes/Baz triumvirate crumbles.
 
The_Rey

The_Rey

Cricket Spectator
kevinw said:
I am so glad I didn't pay the obscene amounts Lords wanted for wickets next Summer. I almost want India to absolutely smash us so the Key/Stokes/Baz triumvirate crumbles.
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If it was anyone but India or Aus, I'd totally agree. Can't wait for this "Bazball" bubble to burst and go away, so we can get back to having (hopefully) an England side to be proud of.
 
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