Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)

[capt_Luffy]

Viv Richards: Botham, Robin Smith, Thorpe, Willis, Merv Hughes, Dujon, Hunte, Marshall, Richie Richardson, Roberts, Shastri, Vengsarkar, Saeed Anwar, Imran, Inzamam, Mohd Yousuf, Zaheer Abbas, Aravinda de Silva

Tendulkar: Harvey, Hayden, Warne, Donald, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Hanif, Qadir, Muralitharan, Flower

Hutton: Appleyard, Cowdrey, John Edrich, Graveney, Trueman, Waite, Ramadhin

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

Sobers: Illingworth, Underwood, Greg Chappell, Walters

Gavaskar: Hutton, Asif Iqbal, Mudassar Nazar

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Sobers

 

[DrWolverine]

Hutton brought back the Ashes after 20 years.

It isn’t such a great selling point tbh

Smith.. Another Hutton.

Smith averaging 60+ was his USP. From 2016(49th Test) to 2023 (99th Test), his career average didn’t drop below 59.

Even on many cricket forums, people were in awe of that. Many Indian fans celebrated when his average dropped below 59.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It isn’t such a great selling point tbh



Smith averaging 60+ was his USP. From 2016(49th Test) to 2023 (99th Test), his career average didn’t drop below 59.

Even on many cricket forums, people were in awe of that. Many Indian fans celebrated when his average dropped below 59.

Hutton had the toughest home pitches and opened against some pretty good quality attacks and has a record with practically no weaknesses/holes

 

[DrWolverine]

Not denying it

But to reach the masses you need a good story

 

[Johan]

Yeah Hutton is kinda like Hadlee in this regard, super important to English how Hadlee is to Kiwis, but not necessarily a cricketing cultural icon.

 

[kyear2]

How many portray Tendulkar that way on CW? Don't make a false presentation.

I don't think he is ever or rarely presented as having no competition with Hobbs and Sobers or even Viv.

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

The only distinction that Sachin has is his longevity, because even in his own era he was never clear of Lara initially and then the plethora of batters in the 2000's.

His record against the great bowlers of the 90's isn't exactly how it's portrayed by some either and besides @Johan everyone tried to ignore it.

I think Sachin is superb and has a good an argument as any to be the best after Bradman and for me that's a small group of exactly 4. But to suggest that he's somewhat superceded the others and in a little tier of his own, is a bit far.

As far as Smith goes, he's easily cleared those 2nd tier of batsmen with whom he's statistically comparable, the Ponting's, Kallis's etc, partially because he has continued to be productive in this live pitch era. But at this point in his career he's statistically basically still Ponting Sanga etc. He's done enough to be above them and firmly entrenched in my top 8 (currently 6th), but a bit more to be in the best after Bradman primary conversation or to be fully compared to those 4 guys.

That's just my personal opinion.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

There probably is a bit recency bias with Smith but I expect his rating as well as the rest of the Fab 4’s to drop a bit by the end of their careers

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think my position here has always been clear really. There is nothing big between Sachin and say Sobers, Viv or Lara; I just don't find a case for any of them over him much viable.

 

[Coronis]

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

The only distinction that Sachin has is his longevity, because even in his own era he was never clear of Lara initially and then the plethora of batters in the 2000's.

His record against the great bowlers of the 90's isn't exactly how it's portrayed by some either and besides @Johan everyone tried to ignore it.

I think Sachin is superb and has a good an argument as any to be the best after Bradman and for me that's a small group of exactly 4. But to suggest that he's somewhat superceded the others and in a little tier of his own, is a bit far.

As far as Smith goes, he's easily cleared those 2nd tier of batsmen with whom he's statistically comparable, the Ponting's, Kallis's etc, partially because he has continued to be productive in this live pitch era. But at this point in his career he's statistically basically still Ponting Sanga etc. He's done enough to be above them and firmly entrenched in my top 8 (currently 6th), but a bit more to be in the best after Bradman primary conversation or to be fully compared to those 4 guys.

That's just my personal opinion.

For the nth time, clear does not mean big.

 

[ataraxia]

Bradman

Hobbs/Tendulkar/Sobers/Hutton/Lara/Smith/Viv/Gavaskar

Hammond/Sutcliffe/Pollock/Border/Kallis/Sangakkara/Chappell/Waugh/Root/Ponting/Dravid/Barrington/Trumper

Weekes/Nourse/Miandad/Walcott/ABD/Compton/Harvey/Younis/Williamson/Kohli/Kanhai/May/Boycott/Worrell/Flower/Lloyd/Crowe

Greenidge/Amla/Chanderpaul/Mitchell/Smith/Simpson/Hayden/Cook/Inzamam/Sehwag/McCabe/Pietersen/Laxman/Clarke/Cowdrey/Jayawardene/Gilchrist/Gooch/Herbie/Gower/Yousuf/Lawry/Hazare/Morris/Ponsford/Hanif/Dexter/Hunte/Hussey/Kirsten/Hassett

You forgot Hendren.

 

[subshakerz]

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

So even with these supposedly radical pro-Tendulkar opinions they still put Hobbs as a contender to Tendulkar.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah Hutton is kinda like Hadlee in this regard, super important to English how Hadlee is to Kiwis, but not necessarily a cricketing cultural icon.

Hadlees is solely because he is from NZ.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You forgot Hendren.

Was torn up on him and Thorpe. Probs belongs with Hassett there