Viv Richards vs Steve Smith

[Coronis]

Sanga’s career is not impressive

So there’s what, 15-20 impressive batsmen in history? The rest just suck ass?

 

[Johan]

By ATG standards? well, probably not outside of runs against McWarne, Murali or in/against South Africa, very case by case thing tho

I don't even really rate Ponting's peak among elite ATGs dude

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[subshakerz]

Comeon Now!!! Even I won't stoop so low. 00s were flat, but I think it's sometime overstated a bit as well when people act no runs there counts. In that timeframe SRT has an absolutely top tier Saffa tour against peak Steyn, in sporting wickets. 60s WI were flatter.

I think he is too vested in his argument at this point.

 

[Johan]

Comeon Now!!! Even I won't stoop so low. 00s were flat, but I think it's sometime overstated a bit as well when people act no runs there counts. In that timeframe SRT has an absolutely top tier Saffa tour against peak Steyn, in sporting wickets. 60s WI were flatter.

Nah

with the type of pitches Australia put out between turn of the millenium and the sandpaper gate, they should've had their test status revoked

 

[Johan]

I think he is too vested in his argument at this point.

ah well, I'll think about being less strict with standards some other day

 

[subshakerz]

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Hmmm, I rate Sachin's 4 tons against Steyn higher than anything Ponting ever did and that's about it, take it or leave it.

I will leave it.

At least you conceded at that Sachin reached higher levels post-peak than Viv did.

 

[Johan]

I will leave it.

At least you conceded at that Sachin reached higher levels post-peak than Viv did.

I don't think I ever contested that? I don't think it was day night difference like some people think it was.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't think I ever contested that?

Honestly earlier it seemed you were since the thrust of your argument suggested parity and no advantage.

 

[Johan]

Honestly earlier it seemed you were since the thrust of your argument suggested parity and no advantage.

The point was always minimal superiority post peak which I stand by

 

[capt_Luffy]

Nah

with the type of pitches Australia put out between turn of the millenium and the sandpaper gate, they should've had their test status revoked

Were only in Australia, and 2000s wasn't generally that bad. WI largely was so in the 50s and 60s.

 

[Johan]

Were only in Australia, and 2000s wasn't generally that bad. WI largely was so in the 50s and 60s.

2000s and 2010s were more or less the same with 2010s just having a weaker lineup so they needed to pull an Imran and "make something of the dead wickets" and use sandpaper

 

[subshakerz]

The point was always minimal superiority post peak which I stand by

I accept that overall (2002 to 2013) but I think he was a fair distance ahead of Viv in his second peak (2007 to 2011) than any point of Viv post peak.

Which, back to the original point, I credit to his adaptability and technical mastery that, along with longevity, gives him an edge over Viv.

 

[capt_Luffy]

2000s and 2010s were more or less the same with 2010s just having a weaker lineup so they needed to pull an Imran and "make something of the dead wickets" and use sandpaper

Nah. 2000s Australia I don't feel was as flat as early 2010s, except some series like BGT 2003. That honestly would make Glenn undisputed GOAT and Warne no 2. Though wasn't present so can't really comment.

 

[Johan]

Nah. 2000s Australia I don't feel was as flat as early 2010s, except some series like BGT 2003. That honestly would make Glenn undisputed GOAT and Warne no 2. Though wasn't present so can't really comment.

I don't mind Glenn and Warne being GOATs

 

[subshakerz]

Nah. 2000s Australia I don't feel was as flat as early 2010s, except some series like BGT 2003. That honestly would make Glenn undisputed GOAT and Warne no 2. Though wasn't present so can't really comment.

Warne averages nearly 30 at home in the 2000s.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't mind Glenn and Warne being GOATs

Glenn arguably already is but honestly that would place him a fair deal ahead of Maco

 

[Johan]

Glenn arguably already is but honestly that would place him a fair deal ahead of Maco

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[subshakerz]

Glenn arguably already is but honestly that would place him a fair deal ahead of Maco

It's an overdone point. The pitches in Australia in 2000s were flat with minimal movement and pace but still a fair deal of bounce so not totally averse to McGraths style of bowling.

 

[capt_Luffy]

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Run it till 2018 from 12 imo. Also most teams in the 2000s had better batting as well.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's an overdone point. The pitches in Australia in 2000s were flat with minimal movement and pace but still a fair deal of bounce so not totally averse to McGraths style of bowling.

So..... Not totally unresponsive roads??