subshakerz
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Better combo : Sobers & Marshall vs Sachin & Hadlee
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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Johan
International Captain
Sachin's away record without Bangladesh
7885 @ 51.5, 47.2 RPI, 7 innings per hundred
Sobers's away record
3957 @ 50.7, 46.5 RPI, 7.08 innings per hundred.
I'm not seeing it.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
India were quite on the weaker side of things and he did averaged 111 here
kyear2
International Coach
Batting position sure, but at the end of the day he performed at his best at 4 as well. So there's nothing saying that he could perform at that position.
Longevity argument is ridiculous, one played for 20 years, that's more than enough. Especially considering his bowling work load, no please. Anything approaching 20 years is fine, 18 even.
His overall away record is dragged down by the anomaly that is NZ, outside of that he was excellent. Especially where it matters, Australia and England.
The only area that Sachin gets the edge is as I said, batting position, and that's splitting hairs at the very best.
Sobers has iconic innings vs all the ATGs of his era.
Johan
International Captain
well then only strong teams were Australia and England.
Sobers: 2747 @ 50.87, 48 RPI
kyear2
International Coach
I know you're trying to be stupid and prove a point that doesn't exist.
But Hadlee and Marshall actually played in the same era and one had a crazy concentrated schedule, most overseas as well.
Again, what's your point.
People are disproportionately focussed on minnows, when hardly anyone plays more than a few games against them. It's 3.5% of Sachins games for Bangers. 40% of Sobers games were against the poor sides from his era. The weren't Bangers weak, but the cumularive impact on quality of playing that many is going to be much greater.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
That Hadlee played longer and you brought a silly point.
Johan
International Captain
er, the 90s England and Pre Murali Sri Lanka sides were weak as well, doesn't mean we can discard those performances imo
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Which is Great and all, but I think Sachin just faced more challenges with a greater variety of top attacks.
Johan
International Captain
Sachin in SA + Aus
2970 @ 50.3, 45 RPI
Sobers in England + Australia
2747 @ 50.8, 48.1 RPI
Johan
International Captain
not sure I can agree
kyear2
International Coach
Batting position I covered, but to repeat, he also had success at 3 and especially 4, not to add a little dabbling at opening.
He didn't drop down because he was hiding, it's because he was also bowling the most overs for the team as well.
Sachin had home pitches that were also flat and played through the flat pitch era.
India may have struggled as a batting unit, but had an above test standard spin attack.
And he failed vs NZ, so no help to him there.
Not to mention how he cares vs the best teams in the world in the ROW tests.
Garry more than proved himself vs the best. Teams and bowlers.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Greater variety of attacks in inarguable.
Johan
International Captain
define the variety
kyear2
International Coach
Yes.
It's mirroring the outside world where he's soon going to be seen as greater than Bradman.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You should support that since you don't rate Bradman and it helps to downgrade him.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
ATG spinners and four worldclass pace bowling pairs in the 90s.
kyear2
International Coach
Revisionist history in action.