Better combo : Sobers & Marshall vs Sachin & Hadlee

[OverratedSanity]

I think I've discussed his output issues against Murali (when he got good)

Elaborate

 

[Johan]

If we're slicing performance this much might as well slice it further to point out Sobers only averaged 43 vs Australia, which is fine, nothing spectacular. Tendulkar had multiple great series and away tours vs Australia and South Africa. Think I'd take Tendulkar's records over sobers on that metric tbh.

43 isn't that bad no? Sachin averages 42 against South Africa, both have some knocks of taming ATG pacers but not that different regardless.

 

[subshakerz]

43 isn't that bad no? Sachin averages 42 against South Africa, both have some knocks of taming ATG pacers but not that different regardless.

Tendulkar has a good series against Walsh and Ambrose away, and Walsh at home.

He dominated Warne home and away too.

Did well against Shoaib (yes on flatter pitches but still).

There is more to impress in his record.

 

[Bolo.]

Honestly? strong disagree again to be honest.

The attacks are always evolving, for example during Sachin's career the attacks of England and Sri Lanka improved to be very good by the end, or Australia regressed, when we use this method we also can see that the lineups were evolving during Sober's era, his Pakistan series is against an attack superior to 60s Pakistan, by the end with the Quaret coming in, India was also a world class attack that they weren't in 50s.

also, it doesn't really matter if he played more with the weaker sides, because

1. as shown, the majority of India and Pakistan attacks he faced were actually pretty decent.

2. his performance against Australia/England is superior to Sachin's against top 2 sides of his era anyway.

so I don't really see how I'm meant to penalize Sobers for just getting more games with NZ and India when his output didn't reduce at all against the strong lineups.

You seem to be complicating a very simple point. Sobers had an easy ride by the standards of his era in terms of the teams he played. That is clear.

If you want to make a point that Sachin did as well, then make the point using the teams he played.

I'm not bringing performances vs who they played into this point. That is a separate issue.

 

[Johan]

Elaborate

iirc most of Sachin's runs against Murali were mid 90s and his output post 98/99 is mixed

 

[Johan]

You seem to be complicating a very simple point. Sobers had an easy ride by the standards of his era in terms of the teams he played. That is clear.

If you want to make a point that Sachin did as well, then make the point using the teams he played.

I'm not bringing performances vs who they played into this point. That is a separate issue.

We need a proper standard for what we consider a B tier team really, like Sobers only played Pakistan in 50s, who weren't B tier in quality

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stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[capt_Luffy]

We need a proper standard for what we consider a B tier team really, like Sobers only played Pakistan in 50s, who weren't B tier in quality

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If Pak wasn't B tier then so wasn't NZ; and Sobers output against them is a *checkmate*

 

[Johan]

If Pak wasn't B tier then so wasn't NZ; and Sobers output against them is a *checkmate*

then India wasn't either

Checkmate Luffy

 

[capt_Luffy]

then India wasn't either

Checkmate Luffy

Even then, surely 23 in 12 matches is a pretty big hole??

 

[Johan]

Even then, surely 23 in 12 matches is a pretty big hole??

sobers while playing NZ

 

[Rob Wesley]

I will pick Sobers and Marshall combo.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Batting
Sobers > Sachin

Bowling
Hadlee > Marshall

Overall
Sachin and Hadlee > Sobers and Marshall

As Cricketers
Sobers >> Sachin
Hadlee > Marshall

Overall
Sobers and Marshall >> Sachin and Hadlee