Malcolm Marshall vs Gary Sobers

[Chrish]

I think batsmen of Sobers’ caliber have been more common than bowlers of caliber of Marshall’s..

Hence, voting for Marshall..

 

[subshakerz]

Did you even watch or listen to any games from that test series??

You were complaining about Pakistani umpires. The two umpires in that game were Indian. Just admit you made a mistake rather than digging in.

 

[subshakerz]

I think batsmen of Sobers’ caliber have been more common than bowlers of caliber of Marshall’s..

Hence, voting for Marshall..

That may be because there are just more batsmen than bowlers and there are only 2-3 in the Sobers class.

Marshall and McGrath are certainly in the same class.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

You were complaining about Pakistani umpires. The two umpires in that game were Indian. Just admit you made a mistake rather than digging in.

I didn't make any mistakes the umpiring from that series particularly the 3rd test left a lot to be desired. You just assume you know better than some of us who actually followed the series. Anyway, I'm not getting into a back and forth with you again.

 

[subshakerz]

I didn't make any mistakes the umpiring from that series particularly the 3rd test left a lot to be desired. You just assume you know better than some of us who actually followed the series. Anyway, I'm not getting into a back and forth with you again.

Always frustrating when posters don't fess up to obvious errors that we all can read.

Nearly won us the 3rd and deciding test but for weather (again) and interesting Pakistan umpiring .

The two umpires for that test were neutral ones from India.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Always frustrating when posters don't fess up to obvious errors that we all can read.



The two umpires for that test were neutral ones from India.

My mistake, they were Indian still doesn't stop the umpiring from the 3rd test especially from being trash. Close lbws not being given, time wasting etc. If you followed the same match i did and know better, please enlighten me/us...

 

[DrWolverine]

Marshall & McGrath are not in the same class.

McGrath’s record against the second best team of his era(after Aus) isn’t great - Avg of 27.3 in 17 Tests

McGrath has not been a big match winner in Asian pitches - Just 1 5-Fer in 32 innings.

One could make an argument that Maco had a shorter time at the top or had excellent support

McGrath is one of the all time greats and Top 3 bowlers but his record isn’t perfect by any means

 

[sayon basak]

Marshall & McGrath are not in the same class.

Come on now. How are the top 1 and 3 bowlers not in the same class?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Marshall & McGrath are not in the same class.

McGrath’s record against the second best team of his era(after Aus) isn’t great - Avg of 27.3 in 17 Tests

McGrath has not been a big match winner in Asian pitches - Just 1 5-Fer in 32 innings.

One could make an argument that Maco had a shorter time at the top or had excellent support

McGrath is one of the all time greats and Top 3 bowlers but his record isn’t perfect by any means

Shorter time yes but McGrath also had great support imo: Warne, Gillespie, Fleming, Macgill and Reifel. Not as great as Maco but still great support.

 

[DrWolverine]

Come on now. How are the top 1 and 3 bowlers not in the same class?

A big reason I rate Glen McGrath Top 3 is because of his longevity. Not doubt he was excellent but his longevity gives him an advantage. If he retired say in 2003 with 80 odd Tests and 350 Test wickets, I would rate on par with Allan Donald and not more than that.

The reason I rate Malcolm Marshall as the best is because of his excellence. The closest comparison among modern day bowlers is Bumrah(so far). He has an excellent record pretty much against everyone and everywhere but he lacks the longevity to be considered the best ever.

 

[subshakerz]

My mistake, they were Indian still doesn't stop the umpiring from the 3rd test especially from being trash. Close lbws not being given, time wasting etc. If you followed the same match i did and know better, please enlighten me/us...

Ok but umpire competency is different than umpire bias.

 

[sayon basak]

A big reason I rate Glen McGrath Top 3 is because of his longevity. Not doubt he was excellent but his longevity gives him an advantage. If he retired say in 2003 with 80 odd Tests and 350 Test wickets, I would rate on par with Allan Donald and not more than that.

You rate Donald in your top 5?

 

[subshakerz]

Marshall & McGrath are not in the same class.

McGrath’s record against the second best team of his era(after Aus) isn’t great - Avg of 27.3 in 17 Tests

McGrath has not been a big match winner in Asian pitches - Just 1 5-Fer in 32 innings.

One could make an argument that Maco had a shorter time at the top or had excellent support

McGrath is one of the all time greats and Top 3 bowlers but his record isn’t perfect by any means

McGraths case is longevity, better standard of opposition and less support vs Marshalls more concentrated success.

 

[DrWolverine]

You rate Donald in your top 5?

6.

I generally have Ambrose as 5 ahead of Donald but sometimes feel he has an argument over Sir Curtly

 

[DrWolverine]

Marshall suffers from the longevity argument. Most of his success came in a relatively short span of time(83-91). Like a more flamboyant Ken Barrington.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Marshall suffers from the longevity argument. Most of his success came in a relatively short span of time(83-91). Like a more flamboyant Ken Barrington.

Kind of but ATG batsmen typically have longer careers than ATG bowlers

 

[sayon basak]

Marshall suffers from the longevity argument. Most of his success came in a relatively short span of time(83-91). Like a more flamboyant Ken Barrington.

Comparing Marshall to Barrington is just...

 

[capt_Luffy]

Comparing Marshall to Barrington is just

Tbf he didn't necessarily compared those two. He just said both had success in a small window, which is actually true. The difference being, high pacers are supposed to have much shorter careers than batsmen

 

[DrWolverine]

At the time of his retirement, Marshall played more Tests than Roberts, Holding and Garner.

Lillee : 70 Tes
Marshall : 81 Tests
Hadlee : 86 Tests
Imran : 88 Tests

Even though his career was relatively less lengthy, him playing the similar amount of Tests as other legends in 70s & 80s meant his longevity is often ignored

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Ok but umpire competency is different than umpire bias.

That's fair.