Aswin vs Lyon

[Johan]

Lyon doesn't suck at home for an offspinners at all.

averages 31 at home, boosted by Windies too, probably around the same level of home bowler as Kaneria and Moeen Ali, maybe marginally better than Moeen

 

[Johan]

Williamson isn't a direct comparison is the point.

Ashwin is the Williamson of bowling but maybe you find him too nice to subjugate to same standards, happens.

 

[subshakerz]

Lyon in Ind vs Aus already produced these gems. Nothing Ashwin did in these series comes close. So pls retire this silly 'head to head in Aus' talking point.

AUS vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Adelaide, December 09 - 13, 2014

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Australia vs India 1st Test, cricket scorecard, Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2014/15 dated December 09 - 13, 2014.

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AUS vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Perth, December 14 - 18, 2018

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[sayon basak]

Aswin record looks good because he played against a weak AUS / 2nd string in 2018 bgt.

They only played one test together in 2018. Exclude that match, Ash's number would still be better.

 

[subshakerz]

averages 31 at home, boosted by Windies too, probably around the same level of home bowler as Kaneria and Moeen Ali, maybe marginally better than Moeen

He bowled in probably the most batting friendly surfaces for a decade as an offspinner and his performances improved. The sad fact is you know this but are still being incredibly petty for some reason about taking his numbers at face value IMO.

Also reminder that Ashwin averages well over 40 in Aus.

 

[sayon basak]

Also reminder that Ashwin averages well over 40 in Aus.

Lyon also averaged well over 40 in those matches.

 

[subshakerz]

Lyon also averaged well over 40 in those matches.

Ashwin didn't even play the entire last three series.

 

[Johan]

He bowled in probably the most batting friendly surfaces for a decade as an offspinner and his performances improved. The sad fact is you know this but are still being incredibly petty for some reason about taking his numbers at face value IMO.

Also reminder that Ashwin averages well over 40 in Aus.

Kaneria's were flatter, not my fault he's too **** a bowler to average less than 31 at home, make all the excuses you want, nothing would make Lyon a better bowler than Stephen Fleming was a Batsmen.

 

[Narayana]

Lyon also averaged well over 40 in those matches.

So it is pretty clear, that aswin would have averaged 30+ in aus pitches as well, if he was from AUS.

 

[Johan]

So it is pretty clear, that aswin would have averaged 30+ in aus pitches as well, if he was from AUS.

yeah but Lyon won't have a career if he played for India

 

[subshakerz]

Kaneria's were flatter, not my fault he's too **** a bowler to average less than 31 at home, make all the excuses you want, nothing would make Lyon a better bowler than Stephen Fleming was a Batsmen.

Yeah I don't think you buy your own argument honestly. Australia is probably the worst place in the world for offspinners to bowl.

 

[subshakerz]

So it is pretty clear, that aswin would have averaged 30+ in aus pitches as well, if he was from AUS.

Ashwin would likely have not made it as a regular in the test team.

 

[Narayana]

yeah but Lyon won't have a career if he played for India

Then how harbhajan singh with 31+ Avg played for over a decade?

 

[Johan]

Yeah I don't think you buy your own argument honestly. Australia is probably the worst place in the world for offspinners to bowl.

no need to get pissy because you can't make a rational argument for Lyon over Fleming as a Cricketer, actually, Fleming might crush due to captaincy.

 

[subshakerz]

yeah but Lyon won't have a career if he played for India

Based on what? He takes 5WPM in India and has been improving every tour he goes there.

 

[subshakerz]

no need to get pissy because you can't make a rational argument for Lyon over Fleming as a Cricketer, actually, Fleming might crush due to captaincy.

Yeah Fleming is your red herring my friend when your first argument failed.

 

[Johan]

Then how harbhajan singh with 31+ Avg played for over a decade?

Harbhajan was a problem against Australia who were India's biggest rivals

 

[subshakerz]

Harbhajan was a problem against Australia who were India's biggest rivals

I am sure Lyon would have done well against Australia.

 

[Narayana]

Harbhajan was a problem against Australia who were India's biggest rivals

And Lyon is a problem against Eng who is the biggest rival of aus.

 

[Johan]

Based on what? He takes 5WPM in India and has been improving every tour he goes there.

based on being a 31 averaging international bowler and being outperformed by multiple spinners in India, he's never making over Ash and Jadeja in India, and he isn't good enough away to make in over Jadeja's batting

Yeah Fleming is your red herring my friend when your first argument failed.

If you can't make an argument worth a salt, atleast don't yap, instead of yapping you should work on having a standard that actually works consistently rather than a standard that gets picked apart by a little bit of critical thinking.