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All Rounders Poll - Discussion

Qlder

International Regular
Other than Bailey, I think we're getting into Chaminda Vaas territory now.
3089 runs @ 24.32 and 355 wkts @ 29.58
 

Line and Length

Cricketer Of The Year
While picking Davidson on the basis of performance in one test is irredeemably stupid and discredits the list, I just noticed that Procter in the top 25 with his sub 20 batting average is even worse. Jesus.
I agree with you on both counts. In Davo's defence, he is rated lower than Benaud in this poll despite their batting averages being similar and he has a much better bowling average.
Procter in a list of top TEST All-rounders is ridiculous. 7 Tests, 10 visits to the crease with a HS of 48.
 

kyear2

International Coach
1000 runs and 100 wickets aren't really equivalent cut off points. Waqar Younis, James Anderson, Curtly Ambrose, Kemar Roach and Murali all have 1000 runs, while the second worst bowler to ever take 100 wickets was probably Nicky Boje and he played his entire Test career as a frontline spin bowler.

Someone also just pointed out in another thread that Hammond spent a long part of his career at #1 on the ICC allrounders ranking list.
If a batsman bowls anywhere close to a consistent basis, he's an all rounder. Up to us then to decide how good of one he really was.
 

kyear2

International Coach
This is why I love polls like this, it makes you research. So Hammond pretty much rarely bowled after his 1936/37 tour of Australia. At that point he had 62 tests with 76 wkts @ 36.92 at 1.23 wpm. That's not far off Mustaq (1.39 wpm) and Barlow (1.33) already voted in.

Given his ATG batting I could vote for that but hadn't as thought he was at best a part-timer with < 1 wpm. Turns out he only took 7 wkts in his last 24 tests after not bowling at all in his last 11 tests.
What a magnificent cricketer.

By the start of the war he was arguably the 3rd greatest batsman ever, arguably the best all rounder and unquestionably the greatest slip of all time. That's special.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
What a magnificent cricketer.

By the start of the war he was arguably the 3rd greatest batsman ever, arguably the best all rounder and unquestionably the greatest slip of all time. That's special.
Love Hammond, he was a Great player. But he had no arguments to be the "Best all-rounder" when he retired.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
If a batsman bowls anywhere close to a consistent basis, he's an all rounder. Up to us then to decide how good of one he really was.
I don't really think anyone is "an allrounder."

If McGrath played a low enough level he'd bat 4 and play an allrounder role.

So I think it's a role. I don't think it's a designation or a category. I've voted for people in order of how I think they'd perform an allrounder role in a Test side over a long career. That's why I'm voting for Tendulkar now. If he had to perform the Kallis role he'd do a far better job than Razzaq.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I don't really think anyone is "an allrounder."

If McGrath played a low enough level he'd bat 4 and play an allrounder role.

So I think it's a role. I don't think it's a designation or a category. I've voted for people in order of how I think they'd perform an allrounder role in a Test side over a long career. That's why I'm voting for Tendulkar now. If he had to perform the Kallis role he'd do a far better job than Razzaq.
I think you need a minimum threshold of ability to qualify for that role.

It's like calling Brearely a test bat, technically he is but he clearly was below test class.
 

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