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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Was that kj? I thought it was conway
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
I'm guessing if Nathan Smith hadn't showed promise Duffy would be there as a backup to Henry, whilst I see Sears as a backup to Ferguson, and O'Rourke in his own world, though essentially a KJ replacement. I think if KJ was fit and firing one of Smith or Sears wouldn't have made it, I'm assuming Smith.
I mean I think you're right overall, in taking a risk and hoping for payoff. In any case, our seam bowling stocks aren't of concern. The fact were debating the best of a group of seamers (there's also guys like Foulkes, Fisher, Shipley, Lister et al knocking about) kind of glosses over the fact were pretty pushed for a decent specialist spinner. Like, we have none. I know Pakistan isn't India for pitches but Santner-Phillips-Bracewell feels like a "let's just get by and hope for the best" rather than "we're going to use spin as a legitimate attack". Mind you, there isn't a spinner atm who could do an attack job I guess. Weird how Sodhi had like a brief period of looking like he had cracked it about 12 to 18 months ago then fell off a cliff again.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Somewhat agree with the first paragraph, though that logic applies much more to test cricket than ODIs. Totally fine with someone quick but unproven like Sears getting a run over Duffy in test cricket. Far less so in ODIs which require a different skill set and 'just buy a wicket with pace' seems less viable.
Hard disagree on the second paragraph, even though I'm sure NZ selectors see it that way too. I think Smith's batting should be almost irrelevant in ODI cricket right now, firstly because he's fresh and secondly because in our all-rounder-heavy lineup, he could easily end up batting all the way down at 9. Eight more likely, though it could be 9. And on pure ODI bowling Duffy is simply better than Smith at the moment, imo.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
A lot of NZers in the PSL this year
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Is playing at same time as IPL this year.
So, kind of like a Pakistani plus 'second division' freelancers/central contractors league.
Almost like a dedicated franchise league windows. I like it (the window)
jcas0167
International Regular
Yeah, it was Jamieson in a Super Smash game after he hit Duffy for six IIRC.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Conway ruined that kid's experience instead.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Extending for Kiwi eyes without comment - a ranking of the combined India & NZ pace bowlers
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Excellent podcast long interview by Devlin, of the nzc CEO Scott Weenik.
Covering tv deals, revenue, freelancers in the Champions Trophy squad.
Also asked about the facial Southee benefit series, and power of senior players, but he dodges that answer, and tbf it is a selectiorial issue and a CEO should not be stepping on toes of selectors.
Covering tv deals, revenue, freelancers in the Champions Trophy squad.
Also asked about the facial Southee benefit series, and power of senior players, but he dodges that answer, and tbf it is a selectiorial issue and a CEO should not be stepping on toes of selectors.
Flem274*
123/5
I mean, he was genuinely good for a while there lol a real advantage to have a 5th bowler who was a solid new ball bowler and a mid 3rd seamer.CdG above Tuffey, Prasad and Pathan amongst others
thierry henry
International Coach
yeah we all love CDG (actually I didn't but whatever) but him being above Tuffey as a pure bowler seems crazy
Hey no doubt at all, no one is a bigger fan than me. But putting him ahead of those guys when not a single metric for some of them weighs in CdG's favour is a bit off
As for the Weenink interview, I'd have to disagree with Immenso that it was excellent. Unless I'm missing a longer version than the 26 mins?
In terms of a sporting analogy, that was Weenink receiving some nice HVs and a couple of mildly threatening bouncers that passed harmlessly over his head. Or a bit of tee ball when Devlin could have thrown some fast balls. I thought the idea of independent media was to ask hard questions and get what the fans really want, not just a verbal press release? Calling the NZC CEO 'mate' a lot isn't cutting it.
As Immenso said, he touched on Southee but did not go into detail, which is fine because he is the CEO and not a selector (I learned today that Bryan Stronach is, which I find interesting). No one in the public cares about revenue slices. We might care about the position of TVNZ to be able to pick up the next TV detail, without Spark underwriting it as they are now, or as expected that SKY or another online presence may look to outbid them.
We hear that the team culture is 'incredible' - something I'd challenge for the White Ferns who basically didn't win a game outside the World Cup, and the issues the men's side had - and a bunch of other fluff. Interestingly again, he said Lockie would be made unavailable if his ILT20 side makes the final, and replaced by Duffy.
Devlin has often made himself out to be this maverick who doesn't conform to the general way of the media (hence why he worked for The Platform) but that's the same guff we get everywhere else. Why not go deeper on issues? Who is going to be the new coach, or what's that process like? What's the future of the FTP and windows for franchise cricket etc? Should Test cricket be a loss leader for the viability of the game, given that format is all anyone talks about with any depth of interest?
In terms of a sporting analogy, that was Weenink receiving some nice HVs and a couple of mildly threatening bouncers that passed harmlessly over his head. Or a bit of tee ball when Devlin could have thrown some fast balls. I thought the idea of independent media was to ask hard questions and get what the fans really want, not just a verbal press release? Calling the NZC CEO 'mate' a lot isn't cutting it.
As Immenso said, he touched on Southee but did not go into detail, which is fine because he is the CEO and not a selector (I learned today that Bryan Stronach is, which I find interesting). No one in the public cares about revenue slices. We might care about the position of TVNZ to be able to pick up the next TV detail, without Spark underwriting it as they are now, or as expected that SKY or another online presence may look to outbid them.
We hear that the team culture is 'incredible' - something I'd challenge for the White Ferns who basically didn't win a game outside the World Cup, and the issues the men's side had - and a bunch of other fluff. Interestingly again, he said Lockie would be made unavailable if his ILT20 side makes the final, and replaced by Duffy.
Devlin has often made himself out to be this maverick who doesn't conform to the general way of the media (hence why he worked for The Platform) but that's the same guff we get everywhere else. Why not go deeper on issues? Who is going to be the new coach, or what's that process like? What's the future of the FTP and windows for franchise cricket etc? Should Test cricket be a loss leader for the viability of the game, given that format is all anyone talks about with any depth of interest?