Wasim Akram vs Dennis Lillee

[Johan]

Lillee still doesn't have a reasonable sample in the entire SC.

that's a fair point, my point was refuting Lillee had a bad record in West Indies.

everyone knows he, like Trueman, didn't play in SC.

 

[Coronis]

This playing in the SC **** is starting to get so old

 

[subshakerz]

And WI were the best team of the era so a mixed record against them away is kind of a sore spot and doesn't help the idea that he depended on greentops.

 

[Johan]

Averaging 28 against Peak Windies in Windies and being called mixed is like averaging 42-43 in West Indies against 3 of the quaret and that being called Mixed.

 

[subshakerz]

Averaging 28 against Peak Windies in Windies and being called mixed is like averaging 42-43 in West Indies against 3 of the quaret and that being called Mixed.

Yeah except he averaged 30 plus with 23 wickets in 6 tests.

You cant include only the best returns for Lillee and not Wasim.

 

[Van_Sri]

Point is he was a flop on slow wickets. Even couldn't blast away minnow Sri Lanka team and average 35 against them.

79 was a home series mate.

Lillee sucked on slower wickets. Deal with it.

Dennis Lillee was highly regarded not because he got a back problem in West Indies or he did not perform well in Sri Lanka or Philippines, He gave his best in series that matters most for Australia during his time period. He popularized fast bowling more than any other bowler for the cricket and he may have had his flaws but that won’t matter much when you compare his performance to that of other bowlers of his era.

 

[Johan]

Yeah except he averaged 30 plus with 23 wickets in 6 tests.

You cant include only the best returns for Lillee and not Wasim.

I said the Peak/Mighty Windies, 73 Windies ain't that side

 

[subshakerz]

This playing in the SC **** is starting to get so old

No free rides.

 

[subshakerz]

I said the Peak/Mighty Windies, 73 Windies ain't that side

That was a good WI batting side and he got spanked compared to the rest of the attack.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I said the Peak/Mighty Windies, 73 Windies ain't that side

So you are basically saying he did bad against even the weaker side he faced while not necessarily excelling against the stronger one??

 

[Johan]

That was a good WI batting side and he got spanked compared to the rest of the attack.

Irrelevant to my initial statement.

So you are basically saying he did bad against even the weaker side he faced while not necessarily excelling against the stronger one??

also irrelevant to my initial statement.

 

[Qlder]

That was a good WI batting side and he got spanked compared to the rest of the attack.

You do know that he bowled through the pain of what would become a broken back in that test? The injury was so bad many say it's a miracle that he ever played again

 

[Johan]

You do know that test he bowled through the pain of what would become a broken back I'm that test. The injury was so bad many say it's a miracle that he ever played again

as expected, context.

 

[subshakerz]

Irrelevant to my initial statement.

also irrelevant to my initial statement.

No the point is we treat WI as an overall record which you are comparing with England.

 

[subshakerz]

You do know that he bowled through the pain of what would become a broken back in that test? The injury was so bad many say it's a miracle that he ever played again

Sure and Wasim played as a teen in England in 87.

We include those stats but give context.

 

[Van_Sri]

Actually Poor Slip Fielders of Pakistan did lot of harm to Wasim Akram

 

[subshakerz]

Actually Poor Slip Fielders of Pakistan did lot of harm to Wasim Akram

At least 30-50 extra wickets I reckon lost by Wasim.

Add the fact that Wasim started as a teen and took long to mature as a result, and his stats would have been pretty much in line with the others.

 

[OverratedSanity]

This playing in the SC **** is starting to get so old

It's not just the SC, he just didn't tour much overall. A grand total of 10 tests outside Australia and England just looks odd in an era that included several other non minnow teams.

Pretty unarguable that touring repeatedly to countries with a variety (not necessarily difficulty) of conditions/pitches is one of the biggest challenges in test cricket and he didn't really do it (or didn't get the chance to do?) much. Still have him as a top 10 pacer because of other reasons but it's fair to have this is a bit of a ding against his record imo.

 

[Qlder]

Sure and Wasim played as a teen in England in 87.

We include those stats but give context.

Akram was 21 when he played vs England in '87

 

[subshakerz]

Akram was 21 when he played vs England in '87

You're right sorry for the mixup.