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Wasim Akram vs Dennis Lillee

Who was the greater bowler?

  • Wasim Akram

    Votes: 38 50.0%

  • Dennis Lillee

    Votes: 38 50.0%
  • Total voters
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
capt_Luffy said:
Hmmm.... I would say both played some alrightish English teams. No top tier Greats (except an old Boycott for Lillee), but a number of very good ones, even some ATVGs in Gower, Gooch, Smith, etc.
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This one needs more investigation, if Lillee took more quality wickets than hadlee in these 3 countries combined or not ?
 
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
Dennis Lillee Successful Foreign Tours : 1) Australia tour of New Zealand in 1976/77 - Lillee took 15 Wickets @20.80 (Highest Wicket Taker of the Series) Won this Series 1-0 solely because of match winning performance of Lillee in 2nd Test at Auckland - took 11 Wickets @11.18. 2) Ashes 1972 in England - England leads Ashes 2-1 but in 5th and Last Test at Oval Lillee takes 10 Wickets @18.1 and series ends in a draw. 3) Ashes 1975 - First Test at Birmingham Australia won the First Test due to the heroics of Lillee taking 7/60 in both innings combined. Australia won the series 1-0. 4) In 1981 Botham’s Ashes Australia won the First Test because of Lillee’s 3/34 & 5/46. Conclusion : Dennis Lillee won 4 Tests for Australia 🇦🇺 - 3 in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and 1 in New Zealand 🇳🇿. (Lillee Helped Australia to win a series in both England and New Zealand)
 
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
Wasim Akram Successful Foreign Tours : 1) At 5th Test at Oval Wasim took 6/67 & 3/36 to give 2nd Test Win in that Series Pakistan won the series 2-1 because of match winning performance of Wasim in 2 Tests, in second test Wasim did an all round performance of 2/49, 24, 4/66 & 45. 2) Pakistan wins only test in New Zealand in Jan 1993 because of Wasim ‘S 27, 3/66 & 5/45. 3) Pakistan tour of New Zealand Wasim match winning performance in first test 3/50, 35 & 6/43 and Second Test 4/60 & 7/119. 4) Pakistan won test series 2-0 in Sri Lanka - First Test Pakistan won because of Wasim’s 8/73 in both innings. 5) Pakistan tour of Zimbabwe won it 2-1, one test Pakistan won because of Wasim’s 3/40 & 5/43. 6) Pakistan tour of Sri Lanka- Wasim’s Match Winning performances in 2 Tests won them the series in 2000 : 1/55, 78, 5/45 & 20 and 1/40, 100 & 2/53. Conclusion : 9 Tests Pakistan Won outside Pakistan because of all round performance of Wasim Akram. 2 vs England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 3 vs New Zealand 🇳🇿, 3 vs Sri Lanka 🇱🇰, 1 vs Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
 
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Qlder

International Regular
One thing I dont think has has been mentioned about Lillee's only Pakistan tour is the home umpires. Was huge news at the time that Pakistan umpires refused to give lbw to touring teams, while giving easy lbw to the Pakistan bowlers.

On that 1980 tour, Pakistan took 11 wkts lbw (24.4% of wkts) to Australia's 1 lbw (4.0%). Pretty hard to take wkts on roads when one important form of dismissal has been taken out of the equation. As it was, Pakistan only lost 25 wkts total in those 3 tests.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Qlder said:
One thing I dont think has has been mentioned about Lillee's only Pakistan tour is the home umpires. Was huge news at the time that Pakistan umpires refused to give lbw to touring teams, while giving easy lbw to the Pakistan bowlers.

On that 1980 tour, Pakistan took 11 wkts lbw (24.4% of wkts) to Australia's 1 lbw (4.0%). Pretty hard to take wkts on roads when one important form of dismissal has been taken out of the equation. As it was, Pakistan only lost 25 wkts total in those 3 tests.
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Didn't start then, and certainly didn't end with that tour either.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
sayon basak said:
Muralitharan took 6 wickets per match, should that place him ahead of everyone?
Don't think going only by WPM does anything. Plus, Wasim had good bowlers in his team, that explains his low WPM.
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4 wickets (3.98) is not exceptional.

for a pace bowler/ 5 wkts is unmatched except by Hadlee.
Marshall had more competition within his team than Wasim; he still managed 4.5 wkts. So did McGrath.

WK per M is an important stat. It is a clear indicator of a bowler's ability to bowl out the opposition single handedly.

23 five fers in 70 tests @5 WPM will always make Lillee's name come up in the first round while ranking the fast bowlers of the 20th century (and 21st).
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Clarrie Grimmett has a similar average and WPM to Lillee FTR and played in much flatter home wickets and against frankly some of the Very Best batting line-ups ever assembled.
 
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
Dennis Lillee 🇦🇺 : Took 38 Five Wickets per Test Match and 7 Ten Wickets. 18 vs England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 9 vs Pakistan 🇵🇰, 5 vs West Indies 🏝, 3 vs New Zealand 🇳🇿, 3 vs India 🇮🇳. Took 11 Five Wickets in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and a Ten Wickets performance in a Test in New Zealand 🇳🇿. Wasim Akram 🇵🇰 : Took 46 Five Wickets per Test Match and 5 Ten Wickets. 10 vs West Indies 🏝, 7 vs Sri Lanka 🇱🇰, 7 vs New Zealand 🇳🇿, 6 vs England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 6 vs India 🇮🇳, 5 vs Australia 🇦🇺, 4 vs Zimbabwe 🇿🇼, 1 vs South Africa 🇿🇦. Took 6 in New Zealand 🇳🇿, 6 in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 4 in Australia 🇦🇺, 3 each in India 🇮🇳, Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 and West Indies 🏝, 1 in Bangladesh 🇧🇩but played Sri Lanka 🇱🇰, 1 in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. 10 Wickets per Test Match in Australia 🇦🇺 once, 1 in Pakistan 🇵🇰 vs Zimbabwe 🇿🇼, 2 in New Zealand 🇳🇿, 1 in West Indies 🏝.
 
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Qlder

International Regular
Van_Sri said:
Dennis Lillee 🇦🇺 : Took 38 Five Wickets per Test Match and 7 Ten Wickets. 18 vs England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 9 vs Pakistan 🇵🇰, 5 vs West Indies 🏝, 3 vs New Zealand 🇳🇿, 3 vs India 🇮🇳. Took 11 Five Wickets in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and a Ten Wickets performance in a Test in New Zealand 🇳🇿.
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I like this new stat of how many times a bowler took 5 or more wkts per match 😀

- Lillee did it in 38 of 70 Tests, so 54.3%
- Hadlee did it in 43 of 86 tests, so 50.0%
- Akram did it in 46 of 104 tests, so 44.2.%
 
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
Qlder said:
I like this new stat of how many times a bowler took 5 or more wkts per match 😀

Lillee did it in 38 of 70 Tests, so 54.3%

Hadlee did it in 43 of 86 tests, so 50.0%

Akram did it in 46 of 104 tests, so 44.2.%
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Amazing Stats for Lillee
 
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