Michael Holding vs Waqar Younis

[sayon basak]

BTW a wise man once said that swinging the ball is accepting moral defeat.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sounds like cope

Dude, just think about it for a sec. The myth of King creating swing originated as simply he tried to swing it more as the pitches in US were different. The pitches back then we're just much more helpful, so pitching the ball and going for movement through pitch was just the way more efficient and effective approach.
So what, you don't rate Barnes as well??

 

[capt_Luffy]

BTW a wise man once said that swinging the ball is accepting moral defeat.

Calling @humayun.hibas a wise man is a very good example why Right of Speech shouldn't be absolute.

 

[Johan]

Dude, just think about it for a sec. The myth of King creating swing originated as simply he tried to swing it more as the pitches in US were different. The pitches back then we're just much more helpful, so pitching the ball and going for movement through pitch was just the way more efficient and effective approach.
So what, you don't rate Barnes as well??

I just don't rate pre 1900 players bleh

 

[sayon basak]

I just don't rate pre 1900 players bleh

And it's very disingenuous.

 

[sayon basak]

Calling @humayun.hibas a wise man is a very good example why Right of Speech shouldn't be absolute.

I mean, what if people like him are in charge, and they snatch your free speech away? Then there's no escape, you can neither protest, nor flee.

Welcome to North Korea.

 

[Johan]

And it's very disingenuous.

Ok, I should probably stop rating Barnes and cut off pre WWI too

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ok, I should probably stop rating Barnes and cut off pre WWI too

Means now you rate and Indian bowler higher than any English One and the an Indian batsman higher than any English One.

 

[sayon basak]

Means now you rate and Indian bowler higher than any English One and the an Indian batsman higher than any English One.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sounds like a lot of fun.

I actually like it more this way.....

 

[BazBall21]

Holding

 

[Johan]

Means now you rate and Indian bowler higher than any English One and the an Indian batsman higher than any English One.

tbh let's cut off everything before 2010

 

[Johan]

tbh you probably can't even pay me to start rating Ranji and Grace

 

[sayon basak]

tbh let's cut off everything before 2010

Let's come to this agreement.

Cricket will only be a modern sport when BD produces a player with ATG primary discipline.

(Lol that ain't happening. You may stick to your wrestling bs)

 

[Johan]

Let's come to this agreement.

Cricket will only be a modern sport when BD produces a player with ATG primary discipline.

(Lol that ain't happening. You may stick to your wrestling bs)

deal

question, if you guys rate Grace, why isn't he above Bradman in your lists

 

[capt_Luffy]

deal

question, if you guys rate Grace, why isn't he above Bradman in your lists

Because he wasn't as Good?? He is on par with Hobbs and Tendulkar for me as a batsman, though above both.

 

[subshakerz]

Let's just leave Hobbs and Grace and keep Bradman as consolation.

 

[Johan]

Because he wasn't as Good?? He is on par with Hobbs and Tendulkar for me as a batsman, though above both.

pretty sure He is further ahead of his peers than Bradman

 

[Johan]

Let's just leave Hobbs and Grace and keep Bradman as consolation.

No need, Hobbs has been clear of that distinction for decades, convo is Grace for a reason right now

 

[Johan]

W.G. Grace 10,669 runs @ 61.51 with 38 centuries.
Harry Jupp 9,987 runs @ 24.53 with 8 centuries
William Beldham 7,043 runs @ 21.47 with 3 centuries
George Parr 6,626 runs @ 20.20 with 1 century
Richard Daft 6,427 runs @ 29.48 with 6 centuries
Lord Frederick Beauclerk 5,442 runs @ 24.96 with 5 centuries
Bob Carpenter 5,184 runs @ 24.80 with 4 centuries

61.51-29.48 is a 2.08× disparancy while 99.94-58.46 (Hammond) is a 1.70× disparency.

if Grace is to be rated, he should, by all rights, be the GOAT.