Michael Holding vs Waqar Younis

[capt_Luffy]

nah Sobers is Hadlee

Hobbs is Hadlee

 

[Johan]

Hobbs is Hadlee

c'mon bro

Barnes is Hobbs

 

[capt_Luffy]

c'mon bro

Barnes is Hobbs

Barnes is Grace

 

[Johan]

Barnes is Grace

Nah Barnes is Hobbs, GOAT bowler and bat (excluding Aliens like Bradman)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Nah Barnes is Hobbs, GOAT bowler and bat (excluding Aliens like Bradman)

Grace is an equal bat to Hobbs

 

[Rob Wesley]

Tough one.

Both of them are top 10-15 test bowlers in my opinion. Hard to pick one.

 

[Rob Wesley]

He was the first, but Holding was the best of them and the true spear head of the original quartet.

and when did Marshall became spearhead?

Garner’s career also coincided with Holding.

 

[Johan]

Grace is an equal bat to Hobbs

My cut off point is turn of the century

 

[capt_Luffy]

My cut off point is turn of the century

No point in doing that, especially counting half the Golden Age and half not

 

[sayon basak]

nah Sobers is Hadlee

Sobers is Babe Ruth.
Marshall is Randy Johnson.

 

[sayon basak]

My cut off point is turn of the century

That's a very disingenuous thing to do.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sobers is Babe Ruth.
Marshall is Randy Johnson.

Then who is Don??

 

[sayon basak]

Then who is Don??

Don is the only Don.

There has been no comparable character to Don in any sports. You may mention someone, but you'd just be wrong.

 

[Johan]

No point in doing that, especially counting half the Golden Age and half not

I just won't rate pre Swing-developement players, I'm sorry.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I just won't rate pre Swing-developement players, I'm sorry.

Spofforth and Lohmann had quite well developed swing..... It's strange to think swing developed with Barnes.

 

[Johan]

Spofforth and Lohmann had quite well developed swing..... It's strange to think swing developed with Barnes.

George Hirst and Bart King are mostly credited for it, you've the source for Spofforth?

 

[sayon basak]

George Hirst and Bart King are mostly credited for it, you've the source for Spofforth?

It's certain that there are people who can naturally can bowl 130 kmph without any training. And if you are bowling at that speed, you're gonna eventually figure out swing bowling. Swinging the ball isn't among the hardest things to do, controlling it definitely is though.

And yeah, Bart King is often credited for it, though it's not impossible if others did infact swing the ball.

 

[capt_Luffy]

George Hirst and Bart King are mostly credited for it, you've the source for Spofforth?

I know George Freeman and Jack Jackson used to swung the ball. George Hirst creating swing is bullshit. Dude was the 18th century version of Graeme Hicke and King is the 18th century version of Ryan ten Doescharte.

 

[sayon basak]

I know George Freeman and Jack Jackson used to swung the ball. George Hirst creating swing is bullshit. Dude was the 18th century version of Graeme Hicke and King is the 18th century version of Ryan ten Doescharte.

King was the real King.

 

[Johan]

I know George Freeman and Jack Jackson used to swung the ball. George Hirst creating swing is bullshit. Dude was the 18th century version of Graeme Hicke and King is the 18th century version of Ryan ten Doescharte.

Sounds like cope