Viv Richards vs Brian Lara

[kyear2]

Both great batsman.
Sachin little better.

Nothing wrong with that take.

 

[kyear2]

Dude that's all I am saying but many here don't know that Lara's away record is not great so it has to be demonstrated.

No one here can use Cricinfo?

You had to demonstrate it?

You mention it 3 times a week.

You really are something.

 

[subshakerz]

Pitches in India were conducive to fast bowling in the 90's? We both know that's not true.

Actually they were just flat period.

Unless all those Kumble posts were bullshit.

They weren't flat.

Pitches in the 90s were spin friendly. But yeah they offered enough support to fast bowlers from outside who were skilled enough. Guys like Wasim, Walsh, Donald, Pollock.

Heck even Klusener and Kaspa had top spells in India in the 90s.

In the 2000s they had flattened completely.

 

[subshakerz]

No one here can use Cricinfo?

You had to demonstrate it?

You mention it 3 times a week.

You really are something.

You mention Barry more and nobody asks for that nor is there a thread for it.

 

[kyear2]

Anyway topic is viv vs lara. Maybe viv has the edge overall vs pace but Lara completely dominating the two greatest spin bowlers ever is something that he deserves a lot more credit for than he sometimes gets. Often these discussions just focus on record vs ATG pacers a bit too much.

Haven't spinners been mainly Cannon fodder for most ATG batsmen though?

Not to the Lara level of course, but they've troubled great batsmen less.

 

[kyear2]

You rank Lara too low and Smith too high.

Smith is doing fairly well in an AT difficult era, though a lot of that is self inflicted by the batsmen.

Bradman
Sachin
Richards
Sobers
Hobbs

Smith
Lara
Hutton

Seems fair

 

[kyear2]

Not all of them. I could argue among all the pacers Viv faced, only Hadlee is a greater overall bowler than Warne/Murali

I want to say Lillee, and hear me out first.

We down grade Lillee becuse he only proved himself in 3 countries, but Viv played him only in Australia, where he was at his best. So yes Hadlee, and arguably Lillee?

He faced 3 ATG bowlers and a plethora of great ones, including peak Botham.

And to be frank Warne nor Murali really challenged Lara nor Sachin.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lillee is nowhere near Warne and Murali

 

[kyear2]

My list is almost similar.

Sunny over Hutton for me.

Sunny played for a weaker team, without a proper opening partner(19 partners in his career) and faced some of the fastest & greatest bowlers ever.

Hutton played in faster and more bowler friendly conditions and was way more consistent.

 

[kyear2]

Possibly.

Definitely.

 

[kyear2]

Whatever. At least I still keep it about Lara.

Unlike what you do every second thread where you derail it about Viv vs Tendulkar, Marshall vs Lillee, look guys Barry is an ATG, and of course you need to diss Imran and stir that up...

Don't think I mentioned Immy today, I mean I could.

 

[subshakerz]

Haven't spinners been mainly Cannon fodder for most ATG batsmen though?

Not to the Lara level of course, but they've troubled great batsmen less.

Off the top of my head

Guys who had the wood over Murali: Lara, Sehwag, Fleming, Anwar, Inzi, Thorpe, Younis

Guys who had the wood over Warne: Lara, Tendulkar, Laxman, Sidhu, Malik, KP, Anwar

There are likely more. I think for top pacers the list may not be as long.

 

[subshakerz]

Don't think I mentioned Immy today, I mean I could.

Point is your MO is to derail posts.

I am talking about Lara's away record in a Viv vs Lara thread, it's perfectly relevant.

 

[kyear2]

The point is he said they weren't.


No. They were in the 2000s.

Really?

You're telling me right now that in the 90's India's pitches were pace friendly.

Yet you also speak about the dead pitches that Kumble had to battle on?

 

[subshakerz]

Really?

You're telling me right now that in the 90's India's pitches were pace friendly.

Yet you also speak about the dead pitches that Kumble had to battle on?

90s pitches were spin friendly and offered occasional support to pacers.

Kumble faced flat pitches across the board in the 2000s, not the 90s.

 

[kyear2]

They weren't flat.

Pitches in the 90s were spin friendly. But yeah they offered enough support to fast bowlers from outside who were skilled enough. Guys like Wasim, Walsh, Donald, Pollock.

Heck even Klusener and Kaspa had top spells in India in the 90s.

In the 2000s they had flattened completely.

Top spells doesn't mean consistently helpful.

But I see they're helpful of not depending on the argument you're making.

 

[kyear2]

You mention Barry more and nobody asks for that nor is there a thread for it.

You just like an argument.

The thread was too peaceful for you. Had to stir it up.

 

[kyear2]

Point is your MO is to derail posts.

I am talking about Lara's away record in a Viv vs Lara thread, it's perfectly relevant.

In the thread he was already loosing .

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee is nowhere near Warne and Murali

Lillee is a worse bowler but would say probably dominating Lillee in Australia is a harder task than dominating Murali in SL or Warne anywhere

 

[subshakerz]

Top spells doesn't mean consistently helpful.

But I see they're helpful of not depending on the argument you're making.

I said occasionally helpful. Flat pitches implies no bowling assistance at all. I don't see how hard it is to understand that pitches flattened in the 2000s.

You just like an argument.

The thread was too peaceful for you. Had to stir it up.

Stop whining.

In the thread he was already loosing .

Who cares? Doesn't mean I can't present an argument if it is topic relevant.