Viv Richards vs Brian Lara

[subshakerz]

His two fifties in Mumbai were top tier innings imo. Some of the best strokeplay you can hope to see against pace bowling.

Yeah as the rest of the lineup was basically incapacitated.

 

[subshakerz]

Nobody is arguing that Tendulkar had more dominant or ATG series. That was never used in his favor.

Tendulkar's main points were always longevity, consistency, impressive away record and being relatively bulletproof against top bowlers.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Anyway topic is viv vs lara. Maybe viv has the edge overall vs pace but Lara completely dominating the two greatest spin bowlers ever is something that he deserves a lot more credit for than he sometimes gets. Often these discussions just focus on record vs ATG pacers a bit too much.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Dude that's all I am saying but many here don't know that Lara's away record is not great so it has to be demonstrated.

Follow me for a second Subz I rank Lara thusly:
Don
Sachin
Hobbs
Sobers
Smith
Viv
Hutton
Lara
Hammond
Sunil

You harp on Lara over and over and over again. And most of us seasoned posters/fans know about Lara away, vs pace bla bla bla. But you keep posting as if you want the man to be brought down a notch or two more. How much further down would be good enough for you. I'm genuinely curious because most of us don't have him in the top 5....

 

[centurymaker]

Follow me for a second Subz I rank Lara thusly:
Don
Sachin
Hobbs
Sobers
Smith
Viv
Hutton
Lara
Hammond
Sunil

You harp on Lara over and over and over again. And most of us seasoned posters/fans know about Lara away, vs pace bla bla bla. But you keep posting as if you want the man to be brought down a notch or two more. How much further down would be good enough for you. I'm genuinely curious because most of us don't have him in the top 5....

You rank Lara too low and Smith too high.

 

[DrWolverine]

Anyway topic is viv vs lara.

Statistically it is Viv.

Often these discussions just focus on record vs ATG pacers a bit too much.

Pacers > Spinners

 

[OverratedSanity]

Pacers > Spinners

Not all of them. I could argue among all the pacers Viv faced, only Hadlee is a greater overall bowler than Warne/Murali

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I'd say 2010 home and away vs SA probably qualify as great series. Two tons each in those series vs a red hot Steyn + morkel who was bowling great.

Lara has more of those series of course.

Great series yes vs a very good/borderline great attack but imo below McWarne +Gillespie and Macgill. I'd put that attack, quality wise, on a similar plane to the Lankan attack Lara took apart in '01 with Murali and Vaas.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sachin
Sobers
Smith
Viv
Hutton
Lara
Sunil

My list is almost similar.

Sunny over Hutton for me.

Sunny played for a weaker team, without a proper opening partner(19 partners in his career) and faced some of the fastest & greatest bowlers ever.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

You rank Lara too low and Smith too high.

Possibly.

 

[subshakerz]

Follow me for a second Subz I rank Lara thusly:
Don
Sachin
Hobbs
Sobers
Smith
Viv
Hutton
Lara
Hammond
Sunil

You harp on Lara over and over and over again. And most of us seasoned posters/fans know about Lara away, vs pace bla bla bla. But you keep posting as if you want the man to be brought down a notch or two more. How much further down would be good enough for you. I'm genuinely curious because most of us don't have him in the top 5....

Bro I rate Lara higher than you do. He is 7 on my list.

 

[centurymaker]

1) Bradman
2) Tendulkar
3) Hobbs
4) Viv
5) Sobers
6) Lara / Gavaskar / Hutton
9) Smith / Ponting / Kallis

 

[subshakerz]

Anyway topic is viv vs lara. Maybe viv has the edge overall vs pace but Lara completely dominating the two greatest spin bowlers ever is something that he deserves a lot more credit for than he sometimes gets. Often these discussions just focus on record vs ATG pacers a bit too much.

Because pacers matter more frankly since you face them more often.

And Viv never got to face top tier spinners line Warne and Murali.

But objectively I think it is a bigger achievement to dominate a top tier pacer across a series than Warne/Murali who were beaten by countless top bats in their time.

 

[kyear2]

My two main issues with Lara: pace weakness and away record. I have always been consistent on it.

The thread was going along peacefully until you started with.

I feel like we haven't **** on Lara enough in this thread.

But you aren't happy unless you're in a fight.

 

[kyear2]

Sorry but in the 2000s, WI pitches were flat and much of his scoring in the above record were against the weaker attacks of these teams. But anyways I have never faulted Lara for being very good at home. You are getting desperate.


Yeah Tendulkar was better because of away record and struggling relatively less against those pacers in terms of dismissals in his prime. Him getting out to other bowlers is just not the same and you know that.

Pitches were flat in the 2000's. Ok.


weren't Sachin's also flat in the 90's?

 

[subshakerz]

The thread was going along peacefully until you started with.

I feel like we haven't **** on Lara enough in this thread.

But you aren't happy unless you're in a fight.

Whatever. At least I still keep it about Lara.

Unlike what you do every second thread where you derail it about Viv vs Tendulkar, Marshall vs Lillee, look guys Barry is an ATG, and of course you need to diss Imran and stir that up...

 

[subshakerz]

Pitches were flat in the 2000's. Ok.

The point is he said they weren't.

weren't Sachin's also flat in the 90's?

No. They were in the 2000s.

 

[kyear2]

It’s ridiculous to say Sachin padded against weaker bowlers. If anything he feasted on lower bowlers(like ATGs) and did well against ATG pacers.

The guy scored centuries against Akram, Waqar, Shoaib, Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Walsh and McGrath - All different type of fast bowlers.

Lara played against all of them except Steyn( & Walsh obviously) and scored tons only against McGrath & Pollock, two similar bowlers.

So answer me this. If he scored hundreds against said bowlers, but basically averaged the same against them that Lara did.

What does that say for the consistency between the hundreds?

 

[kyear2]

The point is he said they weren't.


No. They were in the 2000s.

Pitches in India were conducive to fast bowling in the 90's? We both know that's not true.

Actually they were just flat period.

Unless all those Kumble posts were bullshit.

 

[subshakerz]

So answer me this. If he scored hundreds against said bowlers, but basically averaged the same against them that Lara did.

What does that say for the consistency between the hundreds?

So you can argue for relative parity of their performances against the teams overall. And even then that ignores Tendulkar facing them as a teen.