Viv Richards vs Brian Lara

[Sliferxxxx]

Sorry but in the 2000s, WI pitches were flat and much of his scoring in the above record were against the weaker attacks of these teams. But anyways I have never faulted Lara for being very good at home. You are getting desperate.


Yeah Tendulkar was better because of away record and struggling relatively less against those pacers in terms of dismissals in his prime. Him getting out to other bowlers is just not the same and you know that.

So? Lara faced stronger attacks much more often than Sachin especially in the 90s and he wasnt the only one to improve their records once Ws and Donald retired. If anything, Sachin was the one who padded vs the weaker attacks in the 90s. And Lara hardly faced any minnows fwiw. Sachin never had to face back to back to back atg attacks away from home like Lara did in 96 (Aus), 97(pak) and 98 (Rsa). I don't see why it's ok for Sachin to capitalize on weaker attacks but not Lara.....

 

[DrWolverine]

It’s ridiculous to say Sachin padded against weaker bowlers. If anything he feasted on lower bowlers(like ATGs) and did well against ATG pacers.

The guy scored centuries against Akram, Waqar, Shoaib, Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Walsh and McGrath - All different type of fast bowlers.

Lara played against all of them except Steyn( & Walsh obviously) and scored tons only against McGrath & Pollock, two similar bowlers.

 

[subshakerz]

It’s ridiculous to say Sachin padded against weaker bowlers. If anything he feasted on lower bowlers(like ATGs) and did well against ATG pacers.

The guy scored centuries against Akram, Waqar, Shoaib, Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Walsh and McGrath - All different type of fast bowlers.

Lara played against all of them except Steyn( & Walsh obviously) and scored tons only against McGrath & Pollock, two similar bowlers.

The dude is in denial.

First he didn't accept that Lara struggled more against great pacers but then had to walk that back.

Now he is being made to accept that Lara's away record was in fact much more ordinary compared to others than we originally thought.

So to deflect he brings up Lara at home as if that's the point.

 

[Coronis]

Sachin played 13 tests vs great attacks: McWarne (3 tests), Donald/Pollock (3 tests), WWs (2 tests), Walsh/Ambrose(5 tests) *** He played tests vs South Africa in 1992 and 1996. Pollock didn't feature in any of those series and Donald alone played in 5 of the 6 tests. Plus I've been told Sachin was a teenager so they dont count.

Impressive if true.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sachin scored 5 centuries before turning 20.
1 in India.
1 in SouthAfrica.
1 in England.
2 in Australia.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sachin’s century in 1992 against Allan Donald at Wanderers is a great knock.

The whole team scored 227 runs and second highest score was just 25 runs while Sachin scored 111 runs.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

As you said, Lara has an away record that is not great like others top tiers. You agree that Sachin is better overall and now agree that Sachin did relatively better against the top pacers.

Lol dude we agree on the main points I don't know why you are being so argumentative.

I'm argumentative because you (you're not alone) go on about Sachin being elite vs the great pacers of his time when he really wasn't. And there was no gulf between him and lara vs those bowlers. And quite frankly, he hardly even faced them. Go on any other site you'll see them talk up how Lara faced Wasim, Ambrose, Donald etc and the impression you'd get is that he was bashing them left right and center and was making runs vs them; he didnt.

Sachin in 90s series vs great pace led attacks:

96 vs RSA average 27 (h)
97 vs RSA average 40 (a)
97 vs WI average 58 (a)
98 vs Aus average 46 (a)
99 vs Pak average 43 (h)

17 tests at an overall average of around 42. One poor series, 3 good and 1 very good. Total 100s= 3

Note Sachin never played the Ws in Pak. Not his fault of course.

Didnt include the 1992 series vs RSA because applied he was too young and it shouldn't count.

Lara in the 90s vs great pace led attacks:

93 vs Pak average 43 (h)
95 vs Aus average 44 (h)
96 vs Aus average 33 (a)
97 vs Pak average 21 (a)
98 vs RSA average 31(a)
99 vs Aus average 91 (h)

24 tests at an overall average around 43. 3 poor series, 2 good and one all time great. Total 100s=4.

Note that Lara never played RSA at home in the 90s save for the one off test which i excluded.


Lara had poorer series yes but he was also the only one with an all time once in a lifetime series as well. Sachin gets the edge overall though because he was dismissed by Cronje and Saqlain, where as lara was dismissed by Donald and McGrath.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Sachin’s century in 1992 against Allan Donald at Wanderers is a great knock.

The whole team scored 227 runs and second highest score was just 25 runs while Sachin scored 111 runs.

Yes but i was told in an earlier argument to not consider that series by Subz and co because Sachin was still a teenager. Therefore I left it out.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

The dude is in denial.

First he didn't accept that Lara struggled more against great pacers but then had to walk that back.

Now he is being made to accept that Lara's away record was in fact much more ordinary compared to others than we originally thought.

So to deflect he brings up Lara at home as if that's the point.

No,.my home post was in response to someone else who posted Sachins home record. Bro it's not all about you...

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tendulkar had an excellent home series vs australia's full strength attack in 2001 too. Lara in 03 as well though I maybe rate that one a bit lower.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Tendulkar had an excellent home series vs australia's full strength attack in 2001 too.

Very good but not atg. He has zero atg series vs an atg attack.

 

[DrWolverine]

Both great batsman.
Sachin little better.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Both great batsman.
Sachin little better.

True and for me it only comes down to their away records: Lara = very good Sachin =great.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm argumentative because you (you're not alone) go on about Sachin being elite vs the great pacers of his time when he really wasn't.

No for the 100th time, I said Tendulkar never really struggled against the great pacers but he never really dominated them like Viv either. Viv was elite.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Very good but not atg. He has zero atg series vs an atg attack.

It had McGrath Gillespie Fleming kasrowicz Warne. How is that not an ATG attack?

Think you're mixing it with 98 which had Warne and reifell (very good attack but not ATG).

 

[DrWolverine]

Tendulkar had an excellent home series vs australia's full strength attack in 2001 too.

Sachin did very well in that iconic test series.
A century & two fifties.

 

[subshakerz]

True and for me it only comes down to their away records: Lara = very good Sachin =great.

Dude that's all I am saying but many here don't know that Lara's away record is not great so it has to be demonstrated.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sachin did very well in that iconic test series.
A century & two fifties.

His two fifties in Mumbai were top tier innings imo. Some of the best strokeplay you can hope to see against pace bowling.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

It had McGrath Gillespie Fleming kasrowicz Warne. How is that not an ATG attack?

Think you're mixing it with 98 which had Warne and reifell (very good attack but not ATG).

Yeah I know but averaging 50 with 1 hundred is very good, great if you wanna play semantics. What VVS did in that series was atg. I hope you see the difference. What lara did to them in 99 was also atg.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He has zero atg series vs an atg attack.

I'd say 2010 home and away vs SA probably qualify as great series. Two tons each in those series vs a red hot Steyn + morkel who was bowling great.

Lara has more of those series of course.