Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[kyear2]

Like, that's not true when compared with Ponting for Sangakkara (actually he is the closest to truth here), Kallis (I mean, you seem to agree) and especially Barrington

.not 100% sure what you're trying to say, but think this is it.

If you're comparing Punter and Sanga, both played on flat pitches, at least the Australian ones had bounce. And again, Punter slaughtered and dominated attacks. In real time he was the best during that period.

Kallis did have spicier home pitches but had his own struggles and batted for again, himself.

And again, none of them consistently had the conditions or dealt with the level of bowlers and attacks that Viv did.

It's to the point where one has to speculate if anyone rating Kallis or Sanga over Viv ever watched them. Barrington wasn't even rated in his time. Viv was the best bat in the world for a decade plus, in one of the great era for bowlers.

 

[capt_Luffy]

.not 100% sure what you're trying to say, but think this is it.

If you're comparing Punter and Sanga, both played on flat pitches, at least the Australian ones had bounce. And again, Punter slaughtered and dominated attacks. In real time he was the best during that period.

Kallis did have spicier home pitches but had his own struggles and batted for again, himself.

And again, none of them consistently had the conditions or dealt with the level of bowlers and attacks that Viv did.

It's to the point where one has to speculate if anyone rating Kallis or Sanga over Viv ever watched them. Barrington wasn't even rated in his time. Viv was the best bat in the world for a decade plus, in one of the great era for bowlers.

Re Sangakkara and Ponting, Sangakkara played in pitches with suitable turn and had a much more sublime decline. Ended averaging a healthy 6 runs more.

Kallis batted for himself is a view not a single Saffa ever backed. His issues are as a result, minor in comparison.

Where did Viv came from?? Lol. He genuinely has nothing to do in this discussion.

 

[kyear2]

Re Sangakkara and Ponting, Sangakkara played in pitches with suitable turn and had a much more sublime decline. Ended averaging a healthy 6 runs more.

Kallis batted for himself is a view not a single Saffa ever backed. His issues are as a result, minor in comparison.

Where did Viv came from?? Lol. He genuinely has nothing to do in this discussion.

Sanga played on pitches that offered 0 assistance to fast bowlers

Did you experience any of Kallis's career?

And Viv was directly a conversation I was having with Coronis with regards to the 3 of them.

It was literally what was being discussed.

 

[Coronis]

Kobe / Duncan was partially because one was literally in LA.

And again you're referencing the young, mindless masses. No one who understands the game has Kobe over Tim.

Plenty do actually. And yes, because he was the young exciting star in LA…

And nothing to do with boring or exciting.

You don’t watch much sport if you don’t think exciting players have more appeal and are more highly rated for it. Even (and sometimes especially) amongst experts.

 

[DrWolverine]

Exciting cricketers would have more fans and they would be rated better than dull and boring cricketers..

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sanga played on pitches that offered 0 assistance to fast bowlers

Did you experience any of Kallis's career?

And Viv was directly a conversation I was having with Coronis with regards to the 3 of them.

It was literally what was being discussed.

Sangakkara's home offered enough spin assistance. Overall, not really flatter than Australia.

Bits and pieces post 2012. Saw him plenty in IPL though, was kinda horrible.

Not talking about Viv here really.

 

[kyear2]

Exciting cricketers would have more fans and they would be rated better than dull and boring cricketers..

That's the argument that obscures from the real one when it comes to cricket.

Faster scores, especially ones who do so in challenging conditions are more skilled and valuable than slower ones.

This is something that's been widely accepted throughout the history of the sport.

Guys who can accelerate the innings as required are just more valuable and provide greater challenges to the opposition.

 

[kyear2]

Sangakkara's home offered enough spin assistance. Overall, not really flatter than Australia.

Bits and pieces post 2012. Saw him plenty in IPL though, was kinda horrible.

Not talking about Viv here really.

What were his home pitches like vs pace bowling.

 

[sayon basak]

Barrington isn't even top 4 english batters!

That'd be Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Sutcliffe; and I'd push Root ahead of Barrington (not considering Grace and Ranji)

 

[PlayerComparisons]

What were his home pitches like vs pace bowling.

Flat just like Ponting’s home pitches. Sanga’s home pitches offered a lot more for the spinners though.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

That'd be Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond; and I'd push Root ahead of Barrington (not considering Grace and Ranji)

Sutcliffe too

 

[sayon basak]

Sutcliffe too

Oh SH*t forgot him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

What were his home pitches like vs pace bowling.

Not very friendly. How were Ponting's home pitches to spinners??

 

[Johan]

Not very friendly. How were Ponting's home pitches to spinners??

more the reason Warne's the GOAT

 

[capt_Luffy]

more the reason Warne's the GOAT

For doing 3 runs lower than Nathan "trundler" Lyon??

 

[Johan]

For doing 3 runs lower than Nathan "trundler" Lyon??

26>>>31 at home etc

 

[capt_Luffy]

26>>>31 at home etc

Doesn't MacGill averages 19 in matches they both played together??

 

[Johan]

Doesn't MacGill averages 19 in matches they both played together??

MacGill>Murali yes

 

[Coronis]

Doesn't MacGill averages 19 in matches they both played together??

Context mate, when they played together it was obviously spin friendly conditions, for Australia to put in two leggies.

You could argue MacGill was better in friendly conditions, but Warne was far superior in unfriendly conditions.

Think Philander and Steyn.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Context mate, when they played together it was obviously spin friendly conditions, for Australia to put in two leggies.

You could argue MacGill was better in friendly conditions, but Warne was far superior in unfriendly conditions.

Think Philander and Steyn.

I know the context, was moreso taking a jab here.....