Imran Khan vs Kapil Dev

[sayon basak]

He ave 19 in 80s

He took 256 wickets @19.125 at 4.741 wickets per match.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kapil was also very regular/consistent at scoring ducks and getting out for less than 10 runs more often.
Kapil scored 16 ducks and got out for less than ten runs 64 times in 184 innings (34.78%).
Imran scored 8 ducks & got out for less than ten runs 35 times in 126 innings (27.78%).

So? Kapil was a lower order batsman trying for quick runs without the intention of remaining not out and boosting avg.

0 and 10 makes no difference, while 30s and 40s does.

 

[BazBall21]

Consistent how? What do you base that off?

He definitely wasn't more consistent. The argument for Kapil is he was more explosive.

 

[sayon basak]

So? Kapil was a lower order batsman trying for quick runs without the intention of remaining not out and boosting avg.

0 and 10 makes no difference, while 30s and 40s does.

They have a similar 30's per innings, Imran having a slight edge.
Imran Khan= 39.68%
Kapil Dev= 38.04%

And 0's and 10's from a no. 7/8 may not make a difference as far as match results are concerned, but they sure do have an impact on how the batter is rated, and rightfully so.

 

[sayon basak]

He definitely wasn't more consistent. The argument for Kapil is he was more explosive.

Explosiveness doesn't make a batsman better?

Consistency does.

 

[BazBall21]

Explosiveness doesn't make a batsman good.

Consistency does.

It depends if maximum performance threshold can heavily overwhelm the gap in consistency. I'm not entirely sure it does in Kapil's case but Imran's consistency also had a degree of dependence on slow pitches.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

They have a similar 30's per innings, Imran having a slight edge.
Imran Khan= 39.68%
Kapil Dev= 38.04%

And 0's and 10's from a no. 7/8 may not make a difference as far as match results are concerned, but they sure do have an impact on how the batter is rated, and rightfully so.

Again, most of Imran's 30s came in last quater of the career. That's not consistency.

 

[subshakerz]

Again, most of Imran's 30s came in last quater of the career. That's not consistency.

That's not inconsistency that's just his batting graph improving as his career progressed.

 

[sayon basak]

Again, most of Imran's 30s came in last quater of the career. That's not consistency.

So, we should dismiss those stats because they came in the last quarter of his career but ignore the fact that Kapil would get regularly dismissed for less than 10 runs at every stage of his career. Great!

 

[subshakerz]

So, we should dismiss those stats because they came in the last quarter of his career but ignore the fact that Kapil would get regularly dismissed for less than 10 runs at every stage of his career. Great!

Imran had three batting phases. Uptil 1980 when he was at best a useful bat, 80 to 88 when he averaged 40 and was a 6/7 decent bat, and the last few years when he was a genuine bat.

Kapil we never good enough to make the team on batting alone. Imran was and did so many times.

 

[smash84]

Genuine question. And not only related to this subject but in general.

When you look at these hundreds, do you look at context, or it just spread sheets?

Genuine question. And not only related to this subject but in general.

When you look at these hundreds, do you look at context, or its just spread sheets?

And more importantly, do you only apply context for certain players and not for others?

 

[kyear2]

Why are you expecting matchwinning knocks from lower order bats?

I literally said for "top order guys" do you look to see if......

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

So, we should dismiss those stats because they came in the last quarter of his career but ignore the fact that Kapil would get regularly dismissed for less than 10 runs at every stage of his career. Great!

So you agree Imran was not consistent, and last few years helped him to cover up it.

 

[sayon basak]

So you agree Imran was not consistent, and last few years helped him to cover up it.

Last "few" years? Averaging 53 in a 9 year stretch is "few" years?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Last "few" years? Averaging 53 in a 9 year stretch is "few" years?

First 5 years of that 9 years produced grand total of 1 century.
53 avg

 

[sayon basak]

First 5 years of that 9 years produced grand total of 1 century.
53 avg

Still scored 6 fifties at 32.13 runs per innings in those five years. And the RPI is better than any 5 five year stretch of Kapil's career.

 

[subshakerz]

First 5 years of that 9 years produced grand total of 1 century.
53 avg

2 tons.

 

[sayon basak]

2 tons.

He is counting 1982-1986.

 

[subshakerz]

He is counting 1982-1986.

Ok but he didn't play for a year in between due to shin injury.