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New Zealand doom and gloom thread

Moss

International Captain

Nice interview with Rangana Herath on how he worked with the spin attack in India. NZ employing him paid off quite handsomely you’d have to say. Can remember Vaas working on a one off basis with Southee and Boult on the 2012 tour of SL and it definitely helped them.
 

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
I'm gloomy about the blackcaps. Not watching them until Southee and Stead are gone. Punching below their weight, by several divisions.

But I'm not gloomy.about the medium term future of nz cricket at the moment. I feel there is a good generation coming. We're getting close to 2011 vibes IMO, in about a years time.

The new incoming coach will be getting a good situation.
 

jcas0167

International Regular
A warranted return.

To allow themselves to be bullied in a fashion only Australia have inflicted on us in the last decade at home has been pitiful to witness.

Are England really that good? C'mon, this should have been competitive.
Yeah, they are pretty good. Carse looks like an inspired selection. I reckon they must be favorites for the Ashes if he remains fit.
 

Neil Young

State Vice-Captain
A warranted return.

To allow themselves to be bullied in a fashion only Australia have inflicted on us in the last decade at home has been pitiful to witness.

Are England really that good? C'mon, this should have been competitive.
How good England are is irrelevant. We've just been inept and, playing like this, we'd be trounced by most semi competent international teams. India was the exception, not the rule.

Just get out of my life, Gary Stead.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Do we owe India mostly to Rangana Herath, and an incredible amount of happenstance of factors that contributed to 3-0?

No Test win is a fluke, let alone 3. But holy hell you look back now and a million things happened to a side that now looks the most feeble, pathetically run outfit to become history makers
 

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
Do we owe India mostly to Rangana Herath, and an incredible amount of happenstance of factors that contributed to 3-0?

No Test win is a fluke, let alone 3. But holy hell you look back now and a million things happened to a side that now looks the most feeble, pathetically run outfit to become history makers
As NZT said in the series thread, we're an old team with plenty of decent players playing with outdated plans.

We won in india because it forced us to create new plans and the conditions rendered our biggest weaknesses irrelevant:
1. Tall fast bowling - got lucky with the first test and then it was all spin
2. Tim Southee's decline - chipped in by getting rid of Rohit but otherwise wasn't needed
3. Old ball bowling plans - the pitches levelled the difference between our spinners and J+A

We're not a bad side (at least not as bad as this series suggests) but as everyone knows the current setup has become a cartel and needs to be broken up. Hot take but I think the India series shows that Stead isn't bad tactically, I think it's the politics and man-management he struggles with.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Tbh we just have way too many passengers in the team at the moment. Last 12 months:

Conway - 23
Latham - 25
Mitchell - 29
Blundell - 16
Southee - 9 | 62

You can't expect to consistently win games with numbers like that.
Mitchell is hanging on for now imo, but wouldn't mind seeing Chapman get a crack at test cricket.


Agree about the others.
 

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