Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Didn't know this was a thing
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New Zealand doom and gloom thread
- Thread starter Bahnz
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thundaboult
International Debutant
the good ol aussie mental block
Moss
International Captain
Rangana Herath on New Zealand's spin triumph in India: 'It was all about accuracy'
The ace Sri Lankan spinner was a consultant for New Zealand on their subcontinent tours this season
www.espncricinfo.com
Nice interview with Rangana Herath on how he worked with the spin attack in India. NZ employing him paid off quite handsomely you’d have to say. Can remember Vaas working on a one off basis with Southee and Boult on the 2012 tour of SL and it definitely helped them.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I'm gloomy about the blackcaps. Not watching them until Southee and Stead are gone. Punching below their weight, by several divisions.
But I'm not gloomy.about the medium term future of nz cricket at the moment. I feel there is a good generation coming. We're getting close to 2011 vibes IMO, in about a years time.
The new incoming coach will be getting a good situation.
But I'm not gloomy.about the medium term future of nz cricket at the moment. I feel there is a good generation coming. We're getting close to 2011 vibes IMO, in about a years time.
The new incoming coach will be getting a good situation.
jcas0167
International Regular
Yeah, they are pretty good. Carse looks like an inspired selection. I reckon they must be favorites for the Ashes if he remains fit.
Neil Young
State Vice-Captain
How good England are is irrelevant. We've just been inept and, playing like this, we'd be trounced by most semi competent international teams. India was the exception, not the rule.
Just get out of my life, Gary Stead.
Do we owe India mostly to Rangana Herath, and an incredible amount of happenstance of factors that contributed to 3-0?
No Test win is a fluke, let alone 3. But holy hell you look back now and a million things happened to a side that now looks the most feeble, pathetically run outfit to become history makers
No Test win is a fluke, let alone 3. But holy hell you look back now and a million things happened to a side that now looks the most feeble, pathetically run outfit to become history makers
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
As NZT said in the series thread, we're an old team with plenty of decent players playing with outdated plans.
We won in india because it forced us to create new plans and the conditions rendered our biggest weaknesses irrelevant:
1. Tall fast bowling - got lucky with the first test and then it was all spin
2. Tim Southee's decline - chipped in by getting rid of Rohit but otherwise wasn't needed
3. Old ball bowling plans - the pitches levelled the difference between our spinners and J+A
We're not a bad side (at least not as bad as this series suggests) but as everyone knows the current setup has become a cartel and needs to be broken up. Hot take but I think the India series shows that Stead isn't bad tactically, I think it's the politics and man-management he struggles with.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Mitchell is hanging on for now imo, but wouldn't mind seeing Chapman get a crack at test cricket.
Agree about the others.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
If Mitchell were to be dropped, surely Young takes that spot.
jcas0167
International Regular
Watching the Aus v India test last night they were discussing how Shubman Gill looks class but his record doesn't quite reflect it yet. One of the Indian commentators mentioned how good Will Young looked against India but can't get a game. Made a big impression in that series.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Agree. I was assuming that if Conway and Latham were axed first (before Mitchell) that Young would already be in opening
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Not sure why everyone is missing the obvious: the player who has been in all the games where we got pantsed but missed the India series where we pulled off the greatest series win in cricketing history.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Young shouldn't be opening at full strength no matter what IMO. The difference in his records opening vs not opening is too much to ignore now. I'd sooner make Mitchell open.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Just get Young for Mitchell, bat him at 3 and ask Kane to bat 5. Simple, really.