The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[subshakerz]

Ummmmmmm, so I assume Hadlee is definitely in your team over Imran then. Just using this same logic

No because I already have the best seamer in the attack in McGrath.

 

[kyear2]

No because I already have the best seamer in the attack in McGrath.

But you do see the double standard.

 

[Bolo.]

I’m not sure where the line for an aggressive bat is. Is Gambhir considered aggressive?

Sachin in my mind fills that role, along with Hutton. That's somewhat good enough

IDK where the line sits, but Sachin definitely falls on the aggressive side of it.

And an slow number 1 doesn't change how aggressive the next 6 will be. I'm not fielding a grinder at the expense of a better player just for variety, but it wouldn't hurt.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Honestly, if Sobers didn't exist (and ignoring Grace), I have 2 combinations:

Comb 1:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis/Hammond (leaning slightly Kallis here)
Gilchrist+
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Murali


Comb 2:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Richards
Sangakkara+
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
Murali

 

[Thala_0710]

Honestly, if Sobers didn't exist (and ignoring Grace), I have 2 combinations:

Comb 1:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis/Hammond (leaning slightly Kallis here)
Gilchrist+
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Murali


Comb 2:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Richards
Sangakkara+
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
Murali

Combo 1 looks better to me although I'd have Mcgrath for Imran

 

[subshakerz]

But you do see the double standard.

Except I have explained the differences in Imran's and Kallis' roles and selection.

 

[subshakerz]

Combo 1 looks better to me although I'd have Mcgrath for Imran

I think you need a reverse swing option.

 

[kyear2]

IDK where the line sits, but Sachin definitely falls on the aggressive side of it.

And an slow number 1 doesn't change how aggressive the next 6 will be. I'm not fielding a grinder at the expense of a better player just for variety, but it wouldn't hurt.

Who slots in though? And who even are the candidates?

I think Sachin, though capable of being explosive, can effectively play the grinder role, especially in this line up.

 

[subshakerz]

Do you recall how you railed against this argument with regards to Imran?

Just saying. Which is it? And I never even used that terminology.

For me it's like someone arguing Shaun Pollock over Hadlee because Pollock can bat better. That's how you sound with Kallis over Hammond.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Combo 1 looks better to me although I'd have Mcgrath for Imran

Actually agrees with Subs, the other 3 are all new ball bowlers, Imran is the best here with reverse and as a first change.

 

[kyear2]

Except I have explained the differences in Imran's and Kallis' roles and selection.

Imran isn't as good as Marshall, McGrath or Hadlee.

Don't think even you would argue that.

It's the same premise that you are strenuously using to argue against Kallis.

Not watering down the bowling right?

 

[kyear2]

For me it's like someone arguing Shaun Pollock over Hadlee because Pollock can bat better. That's how you sound with Kallis over Hammond.

I think Kallis and Hammond are quite close really. 12th and 14th and in the same tier.

 

[Thala_0710]

Actually agrees with Subs, the other 3 are all new ball bowlers, Imran is the best here with reverse and as a first change.

That's true. Didn't think about that. I just went with the three best bowlers and Hadlee's batting was enough at 8. From an actual match POV, think Imran's inclusion makes sense

 

[kyear2]

Actually agrees with Subs, the other 3 are all new ball bowlers, Imran is the best here with reverse and as a first change.

But didn't we have an entire thread about who was the best old ball bowler and Wasim won handily, if I recall Imran didn't get a single vote.

 

[capt_Luffy]

But didn't we have an entire thread about who was the best old ball bowler and Wasim won handily, if I recall Imran didn't get a single vote.

Wasim might be slightly better with the old ball the Imran, but the later brings more to the team.

 

[subshakerz]

Actually agrees with Subs, the other 3 are all new ball bowlers, Imran is the best here with reverse and as a first change.

Yes. The way I have broke it down for a complete attack is:

All-round swing, seamer, reverser, spinner.

First XI: Marshall, McGrath, Imran, Warne

Second XI: Lillee, Hadlee, Steyn, Murali

Third XI: Trueman/Donald, Ambrose, Wasim, O'Reilly

 

[Thala_0710]

Hopefully Bumrah ups his game and breaks into the best bowler conversations so that we don't need to debate this. Although then, Hadlee vs Mcgrath would be interesting too

 

[subshakerz]

But didn't we have an entire thread about who was the best old ball bowler and Wasim won handily, if I recall Imran didn't get a single vote.

I consider Wasim more skilled but Imran more destructive. Plus if we are talking a third seamer, I see Imran more suitable.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yes. The way I have broke it down for a complete attack is:

All-round swing, seamer, reverser, spinner.

First XI: Marshall, McGrath, Imran, Warne

Second XI: Lillee, Hadlee, Steyn, Murali

Third XI: Trueman/Donald, Ambrose, Wasim, O'Reilly

I will attack you with this later when you downgrade Ashwin away. Thanks.

 

[subshakerz]

I think Kallis and Hammond are quite close really. 12th and 14th and in the same tier.

In our CW list I think Hammond is 7/8 and Kallis 15.