nightprowler10
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England in with a chance if these two can learn their lessons and stick around tomorrow morning.
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*OFFICIAL* England in Pakistan 2024
- Thread starter chris.hinton
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trundler
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I nominate Azhar Mahmood's ton in SA as a contender for best knock by a jobber. Asad Shafiq's GABBA innings too.
Skill issue tbh. Also, the ball wasn't doing a whole lot aside from the Duckett dismissal. It was just a normal turner where the batsmen had to stay forward and play it in front of square. England got it wrong again
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Not really debating what's happened in this Test. England haven't played well and deserve to find themselves in the position they do. There wasn't a huge advantage in winning the toss though, there was in the 2nd, it's seemingly just you who hasn't come to terms with that.
Arachnodouche
International Captain
Azhar was far from a jobber when he was making those early hundreds against SA. He looked every bit a batsman and a very good one at that, stylish with a strong flourish.
Hungry Llama
U19 Debutant
Brook made 317 on a road, but when the chips are down, hes made 9, 16 & 5. Is he just a flat track bully?
Arachnodouche
International Captain
A bit late in the piece but has there been a more blatant declaration of intent than the Pak bowling card at lunch on Day 1? Only Sajid and Noman used and both having bowled 15 overs apiece. I'm thinking maybe Bangladesh in the modern era but it can't have been done too often.
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
Essentially the weaknesses of 3 of the top 6 against spin are being brutally exposed. I don't think that can be disputed. You are right about the 2nd test though. For the early part of the England innings on the second day, they were fine and built a strong position and then the ball started to rag later in the day and that was decisive. That said, for this game, I think Stokes deserves a fair amount of criticism for his captaincy. Why oh why wasn't Atkinson given more overs at the back end of yesterday or earlier today when Shakeel looked way more uncomfortable against him than he did the spinners. Nuts.
trundler
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You say this solely because England won the toss. Cope.
chris.hinton
International Captain
What a terrible start
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
His average excluding Pakistan is 45.6. So, not really but he highly likely won't end up with an average in the mid 50s.
Molehill
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Nah, I say it solely on the evidence on offer. Pakistan may well have won the 2nd Test no matter what, but to suggest the toss wasn't helpful is just weird.
Kenneth Viljoen
International Regular
The difference hasn't been the toss it's freaking Sajid Khan & Noman Ali , two old school FC veteran players have shown up everyone and aren't getting the credit they deserve in my opinion.
The amount of value they have added outta nowhere has been incredible and rarely seen in Test cricket ..
32 Test wickets and counting @18.43 with the ball
150 runs contributed with the bat which is more than Pope , Stokes combined
The amount of value they have added outta nowhere has been incredible and rarely seen in Test cricket ..
32 Test wickets and counting @18.43 with the ball
150 runs contributed with the bat which is more than Pope , Stokes combined
trundler
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To constantly whinge about the toss to the point of discrediting other factors as if the match was won by lottery is weak.
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Yeah, whatever happens tomorrow, it's been delightful to see the impact these two have made.
Molehill
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Yeah, whatever. I hadn't even mentioned the toss here till you made your entrance. You haven't discussed anything else, so which one of us is besotted with it?
Molehill
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Which begs the question, why were they not in the squad for the First Test? I've seen it mentioned that returning to them was a backward step for Pakistan Cricket as a whole, but Sajid is only 31 anyway.