The 4th Greatest Wicket keeper Batsman?

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Pant > Dhoni > Sanga

 

[Coronis]

I don't think his wicket keeping was good enough to exceed Flower's batting. My guy couldn't perform against Bangladesh at home.

Well Flower was easily the worst keeper of this lot so… the phrase wicket keeper batsman does have wicket keeper in the prominent first position

 

[Thala_0710]

Well I never saw Flower keep much, but on CW his wicket keeping is rated quite lowly. However I heard Kimber once say that he was a better keeper than Gilchrist iirc. Guess I'll have to do some research

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well I never saw Flower keep much, but on CW his wicket keeping is rated quite lowly. However I heard Kimber once say that he was a better keeper than Gilchrist iirc. Guess I'll have to do some research

That's a very interesting take and totally changes many things here, as I rate Flower a clearly superior bat.

As only a pure wicket keeper better, is Sanga 2nd? Because his batting went down massively while keeping + he only kept in a minority part of his career. As good a batsman as he was, it doesn't feel right keeping him in second

Yeah, just 40+, but was a class keeper and honestly, no other keeper averages such will explicitly batting at 3.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Serious question, but is Pant better than Rizwan?? He is very poor against the moving ball.

Most definitely. Rizwan was getting benched for Sarfaraz Ahmed just a few months ago, for all the roads he gets at home, his home output is quite below par.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Watling tied with Flower! Just shows how grossly overrated Watling is on CW

And really, nobody advocating for kirmani or engineer? TG Evans could be a shout too.

Saha>Kirmani is a take most won't agree with, but I feel strongly about.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Serious question, but is Pant better than Rizwan?? He is very poor against the moving ball.

Yes. Isn’t Pant one of the only players nevermind keepers to have scored a bunch of centuries in like 5 away series or something weird like that?
He’s still a baby in test terms too, he has insane output.
He’s an unorthodox bat - his output is there.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yes. Isn’t Pant one of the only players nevermind keepers to have scored a bunch of centuries in like 5 away series or something weird like that?
He’s still a baby in test terms too, he has insane output.
He’s an unorthodox bat - his output is there.

His greatest output is being the MVP in two series victories in Australia. Wonder how many cricketers, let alone keepers, can claim that.

 

[Thala_0710]

Here's the link, where Kimber says Flower's a better keeper than Gilly. Watch from 10:16.
If Flower is both a better batsman and keeper than Gilly, surely he must be the greatest wkb of all time then though?

 

[Gob]

Well Flower is obviously the best batsman of them, was he an acceptable wicket keeper?

No he was terrible

rad haddin is obviously the answer here

 

[BazBall21]

No he was terrible

rad haddin is obviously the answer here

I have read a few times on here that he wasn't good. He's definitely the best batsman out of those three but probably would have been a specialist batsman for a better side.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Alan Knott

Averaging 32 after 95 tests, these old timers are really something.

Why not have Wridhhiman Saha as 4th then, 40 tests 3 centuries at 30 and was as good a keeper as any, and that man was dropped for Pant.
Maybe Foakes can also come in with 2 hundreds in 25 tests.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

BTW Rizwan is also miles ahead of Alan Knott.

 

[shortpitched713]

Pant and Rizwan are both good modern shouts.

Like Clyde Walcott for an old schooler.

 

[sayon basak]

No he was terrible

rad haddin is obviously the answer here

Could you provide any article or maybe any footage? That would be helpful for us who haven't watched him keep.

 

[Coronis]

Alan Knott

Averaging 32 after 95 tests, these old timers are really something.

Why not have Wridhhiman Saha as 4th then, 40 tests 3 centuries at 30 and was as good a keeper as any, and that man was dropped for Pant.
Maybe Foakes can also come in with 2 hundreds in 25 tests.

Yeah no, Knott was one of the best keepers ever, plus he averaged 30 with the bat.

Some people seem to not understand the term wicket keeper batsman. There’s a reason wicket keeper is the first of those words.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Yeah no, Knott was one of the best keepers ever, plus he averaged 30 with the bat.

Some people seem to not understand the term wicket keeper batsman. There’s a reason wicket keeper is the first of those words.

Wriddhiman Saha also averaged 30 and was one of the best keeper of his era. Also more centuries per innings.

Maybe he is a legend for you, for me he is mediocrity exemplified just like Alan Knott.

 

[sayon basak]

Wriddhiman Saha also averaged 30.

No.

Also knott has a much much superior away record in more than double number of matches.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I knew Kimber was an idiot but if he really did say Flower's keeping was better than Gilchrist's then I've under-estimated him. I don't know how anyone can have watched his career and think that. He was a better batsman than Gilchrist, keeping though, no where close. He was very sloppy and untidy by specialist keeper standards. Gilchrist kept at an insanely high standard with very few blemishes except for the odd series like the 05 ashes.

 

[capt_Luffy]

No.

Also knott has a much much superior away record in more than double number of matches.

29.4 is close enough to 30 imo. But yeah, Knott was the better batsman easily.