*Official* New Zealand tour of India 2024

[Moss]

Don't see anyway how it won't be 3-0 tbh. India's upgraded from the 2021 series massively.

Lesser NZ sides have historically competed well enough in India (even if they have no wins in 3 decades to show for it). The 2010 side (KW’s debut series) drew 2 out of 3 tests and gave India a real scare at Motera. In 2012 the Bangalore test was similarly very close. These were sides which ranked 8 or 9 at the time.

The difference since then has been the Ashwin-Jadeja duo; even as NZ’s batting has been much better against spin that combination is simply a cheat code. Add Axar into the mix there’s no let up. So yeah, 3-0 you’d think though NZ have precedent for surprising.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Lesser NZ sides have historically competed well enough in India (even if they have no wins in 3 decades to show for it). The 2010 side (KW’s debut series) drew 2 out of 3 tests and gave India a real scare at Motera. In 2012 the Bangalore test was similarly very close. These were sides which ranked 8 or 9 at the time.

The difference since then has been the Ashwin-Jadeja duo; even as NZ’s batting has been much better against spin that combination is simply a cheat code. Add Axar into the mix there’s no let up. So yeah, 3-0 you’d think though NZ have precedent for surprising.

Add kuldeep alongside bumarh

 

[NZTailender]

Looks like it’ll be between Young and Chapman to take Kane’s slot. Though Chapman is the more appealing selection, not averse to bringing in Young as opener (though I am otherwise against it on principle) if it allows Conway to slot into his favoured no.3 position.

I think they said Young is a straight swap if he plays. If you moved Conway to 3, then Kane returns you, then just ask him to open again...doesn't make much sense.

 

[Apex Predator]

In my opinion NZ don't have a shot with safe batters.
From what I have seen Chapman is good on both sets of sweep shots. That shot is always key to have in India.
India likely won't prepare dust bowls as we saw vs England and Bangladesh.

Play folks who can score at a decent clip. Ashwin and Jadeja don't let defensive players play for long.

 

[thundaboult]

Kane ducking the hard series again lmao

this was my exact first thought as soon as i read the news

not a good look kano, im sure he'll be back to get that average upto 60 when west indies pakistan south africa-c come to nz

 

[PaulLennon]

Lesser NZ sides have historically competed well enough in India (even if they have no wins in 3 decades to show for it). The 2010 side (KW’s debut series) drew 2 out of 3 tests and gave India a real scare at Motera. In 2012 the Bangalore test was similarly very close. These were sides which ranked 8 or 9 at the time.

The difference since then has been the Ashwin-Jadeja duo; even as NZ’s batting has been much better against spin that combination is simply a cheat code. Add Axar into the mix there’s no let up. So yeah, 3-0 you’d think though NZ have precedent for surprising.

Yeah but India has also upgraded a lot since then.

Ashwin-Jadeja-Bumrah-Kuldeep-Siraj/Shami/Akashdeep is probably the best bowling lineup India has ever had. Maybe the best bowling lineup in Asia ever.

 

[thundaboult]

He doesn't play because the pitches are deliberately made to nullify him.

"Never face your fears kids, run from them."
"When the going gets tough, dip."

-Kane Williamson

 

[Daemon]

The 2010 side (KW’s debut series) drew 2 out of 3 tests and gave India a real scare at Motera.

Yeah true. Could you tell us more about this series? Perhaps @Athlai remembers.

 

[Prince EWS]

Looks like it’ll be between Young and Chapman to take Kane’s slot. Though Chapman is the more appealing selection, not averse to bringing in Young as opener (though I am otherwise against it on principle) if it allows Conway to slot into his favoured no.3 position.

#3 is probably too high for Chapman in Tests IMO, and I wouldn't really want to mess with the rest of the order. Young averages ~40 when filling in in the middle order too, plus he was already in the initial squad and Chapman was a fill in. I think it'll be him to start with at least.

 

[GirthQuake]

Thought I'd see KW live for the 1st time at Bangalore but not to be.

Would also be my 1st time watching Bumrah bowl in tests so hopefully he doesn't get rested.

 

[Moss]

Thought I'd see KW live for the 1st time at Bangalore but not to be.

Would also be my 1st time watching Bumrah bowl in tests so hopefully he doesn't get rested.

Watched Bumrah and Shami in the 2022 D/N test vs SL, was a thrilling sight under lights with the crowd providing a build up to almost every ball. Given the way tests are allocated in India, possibly a last chance to see many of the current side for a lot of people.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Watched Bumrah and Shami in the 2022 D/N test vs SL, was a thrilling sight under lights with the crowd providing a build up to almost every ball. Given the way tests are allocated in India, possibly a last chance to see many of the current side for a lot of people.

Yes ash and jadeja could retire in couple of years this is simply greatest attack india ever had

 

[govinda indian fan]

In my opinion NZ don't have a shot with safe batters.
From what I have seen Chapman is good on both sets of sweep shots. That shot is always key to have in India.
India likely won't prepare dust bowls as we saw vs England and Bangladesh.

Play folks who can score at a decent clip. Ashwin and Jadeja don't let defensive players play for long.

Nz must attack bumarh ashwin and jadeja hard indian bowlers when you attack have no answers esp ashwin and jadeja they were clueless when pope started sweeps/reverse sweeps

 

[Apex Predator]

Nz must attack bumarh ashwin and jadeja hard indian bowlers when you attack have no answers esp ashwin and jadeja they were clueless when pope started sweeps/reverse sweeps

Not easy attacking Indian Pacers except Siraj these days but spinners can be taken down if you are willing to be positive.
Defensive cricket will never work in India.

NZ must dump Southee, don't play Henry & attack India with Ben Sears and O Rourke. They have a shocking spin attack to rest their hopes on.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Not easy attacking Indian Pacers except Siraj these days but spinners can be taken down if you are willing to be positive.
Defensive cricket will never work in India.

NZ must dump Southee, don't play Henry & attack India with Ben Sears and O Rourke. They have a shocking spin attack to rest their hopes on.

Carawly and duckett did attack bumarh through not much but yes you are right nz must play sears o rourke and matt henry as their spinners dont inspire much confidence and yes nz must grab bull by horns if they want to win

 

[govinda indian fan]

Hope kane plays 2nd and 3rd test kane is too good a player to have below average record in india

 

[straw man]

#3 is probably too high for Chapman in Tests IMO, and I wouldn't really want to mess with the rest of the order. Young averages ~40 when filling in in the middle order too, plus he was already in the initial squad and Chapman was a fill in. I think it'll be him to start with at least.

As much as Young has struggled at the top order in tests, I think Chapman would have even more trouble against good quick bowlers like India has. With that long backlift he's late against real pace and doesn't like the short ball, though I guess the pitch may nullify the latter problem. Might be a closer debate on who the better player of spin is, though at 3 I'd choose Young comfortably.

Subtext - they're both going to get destroyed regardless.

 

[NZTailender]

One thing that bothers me is that in the don't-rock-the-boat-jobs-for-mates setup we'll see this XI for the first test:
1. Latham
2. Conway
3. Ravindra
4. Mitchell
5. Blundell
6. Phillips
7. Santner/Macewell
8. Henry
9. Southee
10. Patel
11. O'Rourke

 

[the big bambino]

Not easy attacking Indian Pacers except Siraj these days but spinners can be taken down if you are willing to be positive.
Defensive cricket will never work in India.

NZ must dump Southee, don't play Henry & attack India with Ben Sears and O Rourke. They have a shocking spin attack to rest their hopes on.

Ajaz took all ten in an innings against India.

 

[centurymaker]

Ajaz took all ten in an innings against India.

But allowed India to score 325 on a pitch where NZ were 62 all out in the innings that followed.

It was a 200 par score kind of track.