The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Coronis]

Bill Lawry bowled left handed, he definitely gets in; Roy Fredericks is another option. Frank Woolley is easily ahead of Lehmann overall IMO. Was surprised how many lefties bowled right armed.

Nah Lawry is an overrated (on CW) HTB. I’ll take Morris. Woolley I considered but I’ve already got a full fledged attack + Sobers and Border, I’ll take the extra batting. Besides, Lehmann wasn’t a half bad chucker himself.

Johnston

I did forget him. Probably comes in for Starc.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Nah Lawry is an overrated (on CW) HTB. I’ll take Morris. Woolley I considered but I’ve already got a full fledged attack + Sobers and Border, I’ll take the extra batting. Besides, Lehmann wasn’t a half bad chucker himself.




I did forget him. Probably comes in for Starc.

Lawry is definitely ahead of Anwar imo. Woolley overall I would place ahead of Lehmann as well, given there's only 1 proper spinner (not counting Sobers as a spinner and Border was mostly part timer at best).

 

[trundler]

Lawry > Anwar > Morris.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Imo:

Morris
Lawry
Woolley
Leyland
Border*
Sobers
De Kock+
Jadeja
Davidson
Akram
Johnston

 

[Bolo.]

De Kock threw with his right. May as well stick with Gilchrist.

 

[capt_Luffy]

De Kock threw with his right. May as well stick with Gilchrist.

Googled and it gave me de Kock bowled left arm offies...... I mean, I remember Tymal Mills throwing with his right while bowling 150+ with his left.
Re Gilchrist, I actually remember him taking a wicket in IPL with his right arm.

 

[Bolo.]

Googled and it gave me de Kock bowled left arm offies...... I mean, I remember Tymal Mills throwing with his right while bowling 150+ with his left.
Re Gilchrist, I actually remember him taking a wicket in IPL with his right arm.

IDK. Never saw him bowl. Favoured his right for thowing IIRC, and batted kinda like he had the dominant hand on top. If he'd be ambidextrous, I think we would have heard. Error in google maybe?

 

[Coronis]

IDK. Never saw him bowl. Favoured his right for thowing IIRC, and batted kinda like he had the dominant hand on top. If he'd be ambidextrous, I think we would have heard. Error in google maybe?

Apparently he bowled 1 over in FC cricket at one point. Conceded 9 runs. Unable to find any more info atm.

 

[Coronis]

Found it actually

IND-A vs SA-A Cricket Scorecard, 2nd unofficial Test at Wayanad, August 25 - 28, 2015

Get cricket scorecard of 2nd unofficial Test, IND-A vs SA-A, South Africa A tour of India 2015 at Krishnagiri Stadium, Wayanad dated August 25 - 28, 2015.

www.espncricinfo.com

No mention of de Kock’s bowling unfortunately.

There was a CW thread on that tour, mentions the game a few times by posters but who knows if they actually saw him bowl.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Martin Donnelly, who bowled SLAs, should be ahead of Woolley, Leyland, and Lehmann.

 

[kyear2]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

West Indies (7.5)
Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner(?)

South Africa (6)
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Procter / Pollock(?)

England (4.5)
Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Knott
Trueman(?)

Pakistan (2.5)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar(?)

India (3.5)
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid(?)
Bumrah

New Zealand (1)
Hadlee

Sri Lanka (2)
Muralitharan
Sangakkara

Just my opinion guys

 

[Coronis]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

West Indies (7.5)
Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner(?)

South Africa (6)
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Procter / Pollock(?)

England (4.5)
Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Knott
Trueman(?)

Pakistan (2.5)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar(?)

India (3.5)
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid(?)
Bumrah

New Zealand (1)
Hadlee

Sri Lanka (2)
Muralitharan
Sangakkara

Just my opinion guys

What’s A tier meant to be?

 

[CricAddict]

What’s A tier meant to be?

Qualifies to a world atg Xi or close to it.

 

[ataraxia]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

West Indies (7.5)
Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner(?)

South Africa (6)
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Procter / Pollock(?)

England (4.5)
Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Knott
Trueman(?)

Pakistan (2.5)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar(?)

India (3.5)
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid(?)
Bumrah

New Zealand (1)
Hadlee

Sri Lanka (2)
Muralitharan
Sangakkara

Just my opinion guys

Bumrah as a top 10 pace bowler and omitting O'Reilly and Nourse are crimes.

 

[Thala_0710]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

West Indies (7.5)
Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner(?)

South Africa (6)
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Procter / Pollock(?)

England (4.5)
Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Knott
Trueman(?)

Pakistan (2.5)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar(?)

India (3.5)
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid(?)
Bumrah

New Zealand (1)
Hadlee

Sri Lanka (2)
Muralitharan
Sangakkara

Just my opinion guys

How close are Root and Miandad to the A tier? And if going by potential only, Pant might also be in the A tier in the future

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

West Indies (7.5)
Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner(?)

South Africa (6)
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Procter / Pollock(?)

England (4.5)
Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Knott
Trueman(?)

Pakistan (2.5)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar(?)

India (3.5)
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid(?)
Bumrah

New Zealand (1)
Hadlee

Sri Lanka (2)
Muralitharan
Sangakkara

Just my opinion guys

How does Alan Davidson not make the elite category?

Great Left armers are rare , he took his wickets at 20 plus he could bat and an excellent fielder

 

[Qlder]

Saw a post in the India re run thread basically saying that there are 3 A tier players (two established one potential) on that team. Which made me think how many A tier players for each team

Australia (8)
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Ponting / Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

You only need to add a pair of openers and Lindwall/Davidson and you have the whole Aussie ATG XI on tier A (whatever that means)

 

[PlayerComparisons]

He’s including only the top tier greats I think so makes sense he left out Miandad/Younis/Root/Pollock/Walsh/Anderson/etc

I don’t think Bumrah should make it yet though but I would add Waugh and Sutcliffe

 

[kyear2]

Bumrah as a top 10 pace bowler and omitting O'Reilly and Nourse are crimes.

O'Reilly doesn't make my AT Aus XI, Nourse isn't up there for me.

 

[kyear2]

How does Alan Davidson not make the elite category?

Great Left armers are rare , he took his wickets at 20 plus he could bat and an excellent fielder

Fair.