capt_Luffy
International Captain
Mankad has nothing, absolutely nothing to be considered over Jadeja. Worse bowler, batsman and fielder with worse longevity.
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All Time India XI game
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kyear2
International Coach
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Ash is EASILY part of the ATG India XI.
Thala_0710
U19 Captain
Yeah I wouldn't pick him either, but some others do
Thala_0710
U19 Captain
He is definitely an Indian ATG, but so is Kumble. And you could only have one in your ATG Xi, so somebody has to miss out
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
In another thread you have mentioned that Kapil is not close to Ashwin as a cricketer. If you think Kapil is not droppable for the team that he played(or any Indian team ever) and still rate Ashwin way higher, you will need to agree that you rate players regardless of whether they can be picked in all conditions. But then, here you are after Ashwin for getting dropped when he tours.
The logical inconsistencies are baffling and is the reason why many are after your posts recently. I used to rate you as a poster once.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Dev at 8 and Jadeja at 9 feels redundant; not to mention Jadeja as a sole spinner is kinda silly. Will win nothing at home trying to win away. Ashwin walks in for Laxman.
kyear2
International Coach
What the hell are you talking about?
1. Never said Kapil wasn't droppable.
2. I'm not after anyone, nor saying he should be dropped from tours. I said there's been occasions overseas when he wasn't the first option. Hence if he wasn't always the first option during his career, does that complicate his automatic selection here.
3. I said that for me Ashwin was the better player, but the complication to that was that Kapil was more useful in more conditions. My arguments then was, that while Kapil was useful most places, his matching winning ability overall still didn't match Ash's match winning ability at home. So while Ash may be a liability away, his supremacy at home overcomes for that.
Legitimately don't know what you're on about, and it seems you've succumbed to group think and just following the crowd. Just looking for **** to gripe on.
Me saying that I rate Ashwin the better player than Dev, doesn't even factor into this conversation. Not least of all because, and I've also said this before don't rate Dev that highly in general. I'm also not saying that Ash wouldn't make the team.
I'm simply asking, for a team that's going to be playing any and everywhere, is he the automatic choice, considering he always haven't been.
Not saying anything bad about either and not litigating either if there legacy, was a simple question, but you have your agenda, so God speed.
kyear2
International Coach
Slifer
International Captain
Well no kidding the team above as stated would be for all conditions. The only time you pick two spinners are for tests in SL and India or if the spinners are of the Warne/Murali level. In India, yes I'd have Ashwin and Kumble for Laxman and probably Shami.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Very seriously, in an ATG Indian team; you NEED 2 spinners. Absolutely so. Or else you aren't winning anything at home, where you play half of your matches. Not to mention, Jadeja is poor as a solitary spinner for an ATG lineup. Atleast then take Kumble or something.....
capt_Luffy
International Captain
That's a far push. Some absolute Top tiers in Top 5 and Pant, Jadeja, Dev and Ashwin makes a more than solid 6-9.
Slifer
International Captain
Gee, I always thought in these exercises we picked the best team for all conditions not just home and let the chips fall where they may. That's how i picked my teams. If we're picking different teams for home and away then imo, they aren't THE all time XI then for that particular country. Maybe pick an atg squad??
You have the option of picking both, but if it's only one Ashwin is a better fit anyway. Kumble isn't clear of him in terms of spin anyway so what's the issue other than personal biases and dumb complaints about 'automatics' where people bend backwards to pretend like pacers can be bowled anywhere and be fine (not true in any form of reality) but outside of 2 spinners (Murali and Warne) every other spinner needs lab grown conditions to be a respectable Test bowler.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
It is fine to pick both Ashwin and Jadeja for all conditions. You have Kapil, Bumrah and Shami for the pitches aiding pace, Ashwin and Jadeja for spin and then Kapil, Ashwin and Jadeja together make up runs we get from two batsmen for the team. So, it is an all-round team.
OverratedSanity
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An ATG India xi without either of kumble or Ashwin in it is beyond dumb.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Virat
Pant
Kapil
Ashwin
Kumble
Zaheer
Bumrah
easy peasy...
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Virat
Pant
Kapil
Ashwin
Kumble
Zaheer
Bumrah
easy peasy...
Thala_0710
U19 Captain
Could go this way but this seriously weakens the batting line up. While Ashwin/Kumble are both better test cricketers than Jadeja imo, I'll have him in the side for better balance
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