Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

[capt_Luffy]

I agree it really doesn't show anything, but in the series Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir played together against India was a very high scoring one, without a single result. At their home.

 

[Thala_0710]

I agree it really doesn't show anything, but in the series Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir played together against India was a very high scoring one, without a single result. At their home.

And that too against an Indian batting line up with none of the above mentioned greats, bar a 16 year old Sachin making his debut

 

[capt_Luffy]

Add to that Gavaskar, Sehwag and Dravid genuinely are some of the best batsmen against Top tier Pakistani bowlers and Sachin despite doing the least against them, still has his best knock.

 

[kyear2]

The gap in bowling isn't close I agree. But if the overall gap is as large as people make it out to be, Pak should have been dominating IND in the 80s and 90s in test matches; which simply didn't happen. Even if you argue away conditions, swinging conditions such as England would definitely benefit Pak. But the bouncy and seamy conditions of Aus and SA, would benefit IND too.

Also, IND have 3 batsmen that are better than any Pak batsman, with an argument for Kohli also. Pant>Rizwan too clearly. Hence, the gap in batting is pretty big tbh.

Bowling, specifically fast bowling is what wins test matches though, hence why the deficit there is of potentially greater consequence.

 

[Migara]

Anwar
Sohail
Inzamam
Younis
Javed
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
Asif

vs

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Dhoni
Kapil
Jadeja
Kumble
Zaheer / Shami
Bumrah


For me quartet of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Asif would be better than any combination that had ever played cricket. India have one of the best batting line ups, but I don't think they have trouble against a P:akistani quartet.

 

[Migara]

I agree it really doesn't show anything, but in the series Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir played together against India was a very high scoring one, without a single result. At their home.

If Pakistan plays India, Saqlain is the choice.

 

[Migara]

Imagine the egos on the Pakistani At XI - the Ws at each other, Imran and Javed, Imran and Hanif. Proud sulking Younis. Crazy Shoaib. Many of my favorite AT cricketers but totally unmanageable.

Imran managed them alright.

 

[Coronis]

The gap in bowling isn't close I agree. But if the overall gap is as large as people make it out to be, Pak should have been dominating IND in the 80s and 90s in test matches; which simply didn't happen. Even if you argue away conditions, swinging conditions such as England would definitely benefit Pak. But the bouncy and seamy conditions of Aus and SA, would benefit IND too.

Also, IND have 3 batsmen that are better than any Pak batsman, with an argument for Kohli also. Pant>Rizwan too clearly. Hence, the gap in batting is pretty big tbh.

They did dominate them when the pitches were given to a result no? They won 4 matches to 1 in the 80’s, and won 2 matches to 1 in the 90’s. India’s 2 wins being right at the beginning of the 80’s and right at the end of the 90’s. And even then India had a batting advantage throughout that period.

I agree it really doesn't show anything, but in the series Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir played together against India was a very high scoring one, without a single result. At their home.

And this is somehow the bowlers fault? Nothing to do with the pitches? Or the short days (80 or less overs scheduled per day)

 

[Thala_0710]

Bowling, specifically fast bowling is what wins test matches though, hence why the deficit there is of potentially greater consequence.

It depends totally on the conditions. On turning tracks it would be India. Pak will take the swinging conditions. But Pak, despite having a better pace attack, failed to win in Aus in the 80s and 90s. Bumrah and Shami have actually won a test series there. And adding to this, Sachin and Kohli are 2 of the greatest to tour SA (and Aus for Sachin). It would be close in both countries.

 

[capt_Luffy]

They did dominate them when the pitches were given to a result no? They won 4 matches to 1 in the 80’s, and won 2 matches to 1 in the 90’s. India’s 2 wins being right at the beginning of the 80’s and right at the end of the 90’s. And even then India had a batting advantage throughout that period.



And this is somehow the bowlers fault? Nothing to do with the pitches? Or the short days (80 or less overs scheduled per day)

Ofcourse the pitch is to blame!!! But won't you expect when almost the whole line-up of a countries ATG team, especially when 3 of them are Top 20 bowlers of All Time, play together they will get 20 wickets atleast once in 3 matches?? Especially against a mediocre batting unit??? The hole in my argument actually was that that none of their peaks aligned. Imran was well passed his prime and it was Waqar 's debut.

Oh, and 80s batting was much closer and the 90s hardly have much of a difference in result, I mean 2 to 1??

 

[Coronis]

Ofcourse the pitch is to blame!!! But won't you expect when almost the whole line-up of a countries ATG team, especially when 3 of them are Top 20 bowlers of All Time, play together they will get 20 wickets atleast once in 3 matches?? Especially against a mediocre batting unit??? The whole in my argument actually was that that none of their peaks aligned. Imran was well passed his prime and it was Waqar 's debut.

Oh, and 80s batting was much closer and the 90s hardly have much of a difference in result, I mean 2 to 1??

2-1 When all matches took place in 1999 with a past it Waqar and a diabetes infused Wasim seems pretty great.

Unsurprisingly the one match Akhtar played he had a huge impact in (8/118)

 

[capt_Luffy]

2-1 When all matches took place in 1999 with a past it Waqar and a diabetes infused Wasim seems pretty great.

Unsurprisingly the one match Akhtar played he had a huge impact in (8/118)

I would say they seem alright. Pretty great for a 2-1 result is really a stretch imo. Also, one match was won by spinners and both matches were pretty close losses.

 

[subshakerz]

Only if you account for longevity, by virtue of which Bumrah should be replaced by Srinath or Zaheer.

Asif and Shaheen may be a better new ball pair than Wasim and Waqar.

Was premature.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Was premature.

Was stupid as well. But well, can't complaint, have put plenty of **** in this thread myself.

 

[subshakerz]

Was stupid as well. But well, can't complaint, have put plenty of **** in this thread myself.

To be fair, I was basing it off Shaheen being a more natural new ball bowler than Waqar, who was often wayward.

But I never expected Shaheen to drop off so quickly even without injuries. What a prima donna.

 

[Coronis]

But I never expected Shaheen to drop off so quickly even without injuries. What a prima donna.

Shoulda looked at Pakistan’s cricket history

 

[TheJediBrah]

But I never expected Shaheen to drop off so quickly even without injuries.

On the bright side it was a good drop off in the context of a gun Pakistan bowler. He wasn't banned for match fixing, or chucking.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

This comparison might be closer in a decade or two

 

[h_hurricane]

Anwar
Sohail
Inzamam
Younis
Javed
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
Asif

vs

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Dhoni
Kapil
Jadeja
Kumble
Zaheer / Shami
Bumrah


For me quartet of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Asif would be better than any combination that had ever played cricket. India have one of the best batting line ups, but I don't think they have trouble against a P:akistani quartet.

Please correct this typo.

 

[Johan]

oof, SL has one rough pace lineup.