This is why I'm always hesitant picking these 2 in an ATG 1st Xl v ATG 2nd XI kinda setting. I think when it come to the best of the best batsmen there would always be a few who would neutralize these 2 ATGs. I'd rather go with a solid offie who could do a job or a wildcard like Chandra, or even both!
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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JBMAC
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In your dreams sunshine. Tallon and Grout would run rings about him.
kyear2
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I'm agreeing with you.
Coronis
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Says who?
kyear2
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Is that ever the assumption?
Uncovered pitches, like the old lbw rule are relics of the past.
Coronis
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Why can’t we have some uncovered pitches if we can have some players from that era?
capt_Luffy
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Except MacGill wasn't O'Reilly nor Watson's bowling comparable to Miller
kyear2
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We've evolved past that, and it's never the presumption in these scenarios.
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capt_Luffy
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1. Doesn't even scale, especially Watson
2. The philosophy is highly debatable
And you're well aware of both too
kyear2
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Of course it scales.
Well you may be right, Watson was just an effective test batsman as Miller, and as such he scales even higher than Miller would for an ATG team.
As for the bowling, Watson was more than good enough for the test team 5th bowler role.
Comparable in scope to the volume that Miller would contribute.
The philosophy is highly debatable, but has been generally one-sided since the 70's with a heavy emphasis on quick bowlers and at most one quick outside of the sub continent.
capt_Luffy
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Watson's batting might scale, no problem there.
Lol, Miller is a top 10 Australian bowler of All Time. Comparing their bowling is purely silly, I must say, Elementary, my dear Watson.
Yeah, much to do with quality also. There literally is only one another spinner comparable to these two here, and MacGill is certainly not one of them. Like, ofcourse Lee is closer to Cummins than MacGill is to O'Reilly.
kyear2
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I never said the bowling was comparable, and that was quite clear.
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By the time Watson was a real option for more than an occasional game MacGill was retired. Playing those 2 together before 2007 instead of a batsman would have made the team a lot weaker. Symonds often played as an all-rounder in that time between 2005-2008 anyway, and was a much better bat than Watson then
I would like to think MacGill could have played more but I don't see how it would have been a practical option outside of niche situations
Very well thought out selections. Feel Kapil is unlucky not to make one of the teams. Also AB as keeper should be there too unless he was omitted for not keeping enough.