mackembhoy
International Regular
Hope it's true
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Windies Team Discussion, and Other Related Things Thread
- Thread starter SillyCowCorner1
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SillyCowCorner1
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Same, this is how teams build and be competitive. Hopefully this is a shift of paradigm and somehow forces Boards and the ICC to consider the value of this.
SillyCowCorner1
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If not, Ireland is the next closest test team to arrange a series with.
Give us something man,
SillyCowCorner1
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In other news, the World Boss, Deandra Dottin, comes out of retirement.
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
I'm more and more convinced that Alzarri needs to rest for the South Africa series. If they bring Roach back, Alzarri has to miss out. You can't drop Shamar or Jayden.
SillyCowCorner1
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I’d rest him enough for him to retire from tests. He doesn’t have the same cricketing brain or basic knowledge of how to bowl in Tests. It’s always short short short lengths. It’s dumb as ****
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Agreed. Shamar can bowl 90 mph and play that role. Alzarri's batting has been terrible for two years now, totally lacking responsibility. I've had enough of him, let him lead the white ball attack.
SillyCowCorner1
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Still boggles my mind why Shamar is a number 11…
SillyCowCorner1
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Who gets dropped after that horrible series against England?
1. Kraigg (?)
2. Kirk
3. Alzarri (**** off!)
4. Jason Holder (?)
1. Kraigg (?)
2. Kirk
3. Alzarri (**** off!)
4. Jason Holder (?)
Bijed
International Regular
Who have you got as possible replacements? McKeznzie and A Joseph *have* to go imo, Brathwaite and Holder would go to in an ideal world but have the advantage of relatively acceptable records to save them if there's not a someone at least fairly like-for-like to come in. Although for Holder, you could reasonably take the view that a potentially better batsman is worth the on paper-sacrifice of balance.
Are you sticking with Louis on the basis of a 50 in his last innings? I don't necessarily disagree (again depends on potential replacements), but you can't say he had a good series
SillyCowCorner1
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For Kirk and Alzarri, I think it’s much more fluid to replace them…bold as it is to remove the vice-captain.
Kirk—> Kelvin Wickham, Kevlon Anderson, Imlach, etc
Alzarri—> Anderson Phillip, Jeremiah Louis, Nial Smith, etc…Nial is in the same mold as Shamar Joseph; raw pace and swings it more. Also, uses his head more than Alzarri.
Kraigg is in a lean patch for his standards. This is a dude that’s renown for grinding opposition bowlers down, but somehow his batting in this series has been scratchy. His replacement is not set in stone.
Jason Holder’s bowling is not the same it was 4-5 years ago. He’s regressed. And if he plays more like a batting all-rounder, then he’s gonna have to score big. His replacement, Justin Greaves (same dude who came in for him in the Australian tour). I’m sure there’s others who will want to take up this spot as well.
As for Mikyle, I’d stay with him.
A depth chart needs to be made…
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
I think you're spot on. Kirk and Alzarri go. Whoever scores a hundred or big 50 in the warm up replaces Kirk or failing that, Imlach does.
Alzarri is pretty replaceable, at the very least he desperately needs a rest, he has played every series for 2 years now.
Kraigg can't be replaced, we don't have the depth.
Holder I would replace with a proper batsman or one who bowls a bit like Kevin Wickham. He is not a number 6 and his bowling is not what it once was.
SillyCowCorner1
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We'll see what changes they make to the squad that toured England. Alzarri is spent. Kirk is definitely getting the drop. Rumors of Keacy and Shai Hope making a return.
SillyCowCorner1
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No $hit, Sherlock,
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Russell: Some West Indies players are 'just not interested in playing Tests'
The issue is not money, but that youngsters want to play on the big stage, Russell argues
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Kenneth Viljoen
International Regular
Russell sounds so damn ignorant, Test Cricket is the Big Stage , it's the fruit and vegetables of the cricketing world, you may not like your fruit and veggies but it's necessary for a healthy body..No $hit, Sherlock,
Russell: Some West Indies players are 'just not interested in playing Tests'
The issue is not money, but that youngsters want to play on the big stage, Russell argues
T20 is junk food it seems nice to eat but it comes with big risks you don't see.
Without the fundamentals of redball cricket you produce inferior cricketers and that will effect other formats aswell which West Indies found out when they now struggle to qualify for tournaments. Most of the teams that are consistently successful have a strong FC and Test side it's not rocket science Russell, you invest in Tests because it creates better players, better players earn more money for their boards and themselves
I think its unfair to call him ignorant and whilst I do think money is part of the issue, I don't think its the only issue.
Regardless of the role Test cricket plays in developing players for ODI/T20 cricket, it doesn't really take away from what Russell is saying. I can see why playing a format branded as quick and exciting in T20s in front of high attendances is more attractive than playing in front of minimal crowds over 5 days. Sure, the shortness of T20 cricket encourages attendance but Kyle Mayers with 210 not out to secure the 5th highest ever run chase in Test Cricket to beat Bangladesh only 3 years ago will no doubt be a lesser known name to people than Andre Russell. I would speculate even amongst those who would turn their nose up at T20 cricket they would recognise Andre Russell before Kyle Mayers.
Andre Russell isn't telling the West Indies not to invest in Test Cricket he is simply saying that players deem highly attended matches in T20 leagues to be the 'big stage' rather than minimal attendances in most Test matches. Whilst I do think its partially about money, Russell is arguing that sure you can invest in Test Cricket, but that investment can't just be higher match fees/bigger contracts and if you want to intice the next generation of cricketers to play Test Cricket, Tests needs to be the big stage.
The problem is West Indies Cricket doesn't have much money to invest more broadly because Test Cricket outside a few countries and series doesn't generate it. In a losing side with dwindling support, people questioning if they should even be playing you when you travel to the likes of England, Australia the draw of playing Test cricket isn't huge. The next generation wouldn't have seen Brian Lara bat live in just over 5 years time youngsters entering professsional cricket wouldn't have seen Chanderpaul at his peak. What does Test Cricket and the West Indies Test Team have to offer the next generation of West Indian cricketers more likely inspired by an Andre Russell than a declining Chanderpaul?
Even in England, much conversation around Test Cricket is centred around preparation for an Ashes in Australia - can you really call England v West Indies or England v Sri Lanka the big stage when its being viewed as much, if not more, through the prism of the upcoming Ashes rather than as a standalone contest or a battle for the World Test Championship. 2 opponents that some England fans don't believe they should be facing as it should be a 2 division Test structure instead.