Sydney Barnes vs Imran Khan

[kyear2]

The argument above kinda tells us all we need to know about a bowler that no one alive has ever seen bowl a single delivery in anger.

 

[sayon basak]

Swerve just another name for drift, innit.

Isn't it a baseball term?

 

[Prince EWS]

The argument above kinda tells us all we need to know about a bowler that no one alive has ever seen bowl a single delivery in anger.

I will say that this is argument against picking all time teams, not really an argument against picking him in one if you accept the concept is valid.

And if we decided the concept wasn't valid I reckon you might vanish into a vortex, never to be seen again.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Isn't it a baseball term?

So the next inclusion after batter.......

 

[kyear2]

I will say that this is argument against picking all time teams, not really an argument against picking him in one if you accept the concept is valid.

And if we decided the concept wasn't valid I reckon you might vanish into a vortex, never to be seen again.

I would say not having ever seen him in action at all, to even determine without conjecture what he bowled, coupled with the primordial stage of the test game while he played, makes him hard to rate and rank among more modern players.

No part of this argument was in the context of an all time team.

 

[Migara]

Yeah, as flipper has back spin to it, it might swing I guess if bowled fast enough. But flipper, if spins, spins away from the batsman. And I think grimmett was the first bowler to actually bowl the flipper.

flipper is back spun, hence may swing. It will not spin. Deviations off the pitch can ocur due to itting the seam, but it is random,

 

[sayon basak]

flipper is back spun, hence may swing. It will not spin. Deviations off the pitch can ocur due to itting the seam, but it is random,

Flipper sometimes get some side spin due to the wrist position and spin sometimes.
Flipper requires thumb, middle and index finger to snap the bowl. If the back of the hand faces the batsman, the bowl will have a certain amount of side spin than back spin.

 

[shortpitched713]

I mean, any delivery "ripped" with a lot of spin can dip or swerve due to Magnus effect. It can even drift upwards from its predicted low spin trajectory. This is all known science, and it's the main way that movement is obtained in baseball (they study the **** out of this stuff there with advanced computer models and the like, honestly cricket is a bit behind here).

A swing delivery isn't supposed to be ripped like a spin delivery, as the is less back spin rotation mainly just to stabilize the seam, not impart movement in the air. The aerodynamic difference on either side of seam is what's providing the movement there in a true swing delivery.

 

[sayon basak]

I mean, any delivery "ripped" with a lot of spin can dip or swerve due to Magnus effect. It can even drift upwards from its predicted low spin trajectory. This is all known science, and it's the main way that movement is obtained in baseball (they study the **** out of this stuff there with advanced computer models and the like, honestly cricket is a bit behind here).

A swing delivery isn't supposed to be ripped like a spin delivery, as the is less back spin rotation mainly just to stabilize the seam, not impart movement in the air. The aerodynamic difference on either side of seam is what's providing the movement there in a true swing delivery.

A lot behind actually. They actually show which pitch variation it was in a matter of seconds. They also have the record of the pitch arsenal of pitchers and which pitcher throws certain pitches more frequently.

 

[capt_Luffy]

A lot behind actually. They actually show which pitch variation it was in a matter of seconds. They also have the record of the pitch arsenal of pitchers and which pitcher throws certain pitches more frequently.

Cricket also has plenty of advanced technologies nowadays really. Probably not as much as baseball, but per say the data on percentage of googly a legspinner bowls is pretty wildly used. Bowling in general is much more complex imo.

 

[reyrey]

Cricket also has plenty of advanced technologies nowadays really. Probably not as much as baseball, but per say the data on percentage of googly a legspinner bowls is pretty wildly used. Bowling in general is much more complex imo.

This. Especially in the longer formats.

Also a lot of variation in cricket comes off the pitch and is somewhat random, so collecting accurate data isn't as simple or as meaningful as in baseball.

Spinning deliveries go straight, straight ones turn. Deviations off the seam or cracks, balls keeping low, extra bounce etc. You get none of that in baseball.

 

[Migara]

Flipper sometimes get some side spin due to the wrist position and spin sometimes.
Flipper requires thumb, middle and index finger to snap the bowl. If the back of the hand faces the batsman, the bowl will have a certain amount of side spin than back spin.

Once it is back spun, it rarely turns. It just slides, even off the seam, What ever movement that happen off the pitch is random. Early Kumble had a flipper called the "rocket ball" and used to swing in. South Africans started playing half back to it when the noted the swing. Kumble later managed to bowl it in a way that it won't swing and indistinguishable from his usual leg break.