smash84
The Tiger King
Dude, I don't know what it is, but every time you vote for Imran, I feel like doing the opposite (despite me probably being the biggest Imran fanboy on this forum
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Sydney Barnes vs Imran Khan
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sayon basak
International Debutant
Heard Barnes used to bowl a delivery that used to swing out and spin in at the same time.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
i need to work on my messaging then...Dude, I don't know what it is, but every time you vote for Imran, I feel like doing the opposite (despite me probably being the biggest Imran fanboy on this forum
shortpitched713
International Captain
It's away drift. Ask @Migara about it.
Migara
International Coach
BS. Swing and spin can never happen together. Physics > Barnes.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yep, not possible by anyone except Vaas, arguably Hayden too.....
Migara
International Coach
Murali got drift only he was bowling at his absolute best. When you see him getting it, you know he will end up with a bag. In Colombo against India he got a 8 for with drift and dip, and another in England. There was not much instances I can remember he drifted and dipped like a proper finger spinner in other times.
shortpitched713
International Captain
What do you mean by that?
sayon basak
International Debutant
Did Barnes bowl off breaks? As far as I know off spinners get away drift.
sayon basak
International Debutant
Swann got much away drift as Shane Warne got in drift.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Nope. Medium pacer by most accounts, fast leg spinner by some.
shortpitched713
International Captain
He bowled cutters, which are essentially fast offbreaks or legbreaks.
You can definitely get drift with that. Mustafizur Rahman comes to mind as an example of a bowler who consistently does that.
sayon basak
International Debutant
I never noticed if Mustafiz got the drift with his off cutters.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Swing requires a stabilized, upright seam, with an axis of revolution pointing across the width of the pitch. Spin requires an axis of revolution pointing across the length of the pitch. They're incompatible within the same delivery.
Whereas drift and spin happen in the same delivery all the time. The language used to describe these phenomenon was less precise during Barnes' time, so this explanation makes more sense to me, than Barnes breaking physics.
Whereas drift and spin happen in the same delivery all the time. The language used to describe these phenomenon was less precise during Barnes' time, so this explanation makes more sense to me, than Barnes breaking physics.
shortpitched713
International Captain
He put the "fizz" in Mustafizur. Really quite an awesome limited overs bowler in his peak, for mine.
Migara
International Coach
Swing needs backward spin to stabilize the seam, and this will push the ball little further than expected. Spin needs forward spin which makes ball to drop a little shorter than expected (dip). So awing and spin cannot occur together.
Coronis
International Coach
What about swerve
shortpitched713
International Captain
Swerve just another name for drift, innit.
I'd say any air movement that comes from rotation could be called that, because they all just use the magnus effect and will move the ball a different way depending on which way the ball is rotating.
In contrast swing is always just due to difference in airflow between two sides of the ball on opposite sides of the seam, and requires the seam orientation to remain upright.
A flipper might technically be able to do this. Bowling it fast enough to swing and then grip on the pitch to turn just seems highly improbable though.
sayon basak
International Debutant
Yeah, as flipper has back spin to it, it might swing I guess if bowled fast enough. But flipper, if spins, spins away from the batsman. And I think grimmett was the first bowler to actually bowl the flipper.