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Is Bumrah the best cricketer India has ever produced?

Is jasprit bumrah the best cricketer india has ever produced?

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ma1978

International Debutant
Shri said:
its one thing for white people to say this **** but a brown guy drinking this piss says a lot about their insecurities
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the insecurities are people like you obsessed with arbitrary performances in random places
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
There is a difference between greatest and most important.

Either way, I think Kapil, Sachin, Gavaskar as top 3 sounds about right and there is every reason to consider Ash #4 as anyone else from Indian cricket. What is stupid is people thinking its not an arguable case, either way.
 
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ma1978

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honestbharani said:
There is a difference between greatest and most important.

Either way, I think Kapil, Sachin, Gavaskar as top 3 sounds about right and there is every reason to consider Ash #4 as anyone else from Indian cricket. What is stupid is people thinking its not an arguable case, either way.
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I think it’s very hard to make a case for Ashwin over Dravid (50+ average in and out of india). I can see a case for Ashwin over anyone else in tests, but if you consider all forms, there’s no case for Ashwin over Kohli either.
 
TheJediBrah

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India has been such a **** tour for most overseas batsmen, due to a combination of spin friendly conditions and general lack of ability playing in those conditions. For this reason Ashwin, as valuable as he is, has never been as important as India's great batsmen were, because he is much more easily replaceable. Look at the stats of Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep etc. Bowling spin as an Indian in India is a buffet, if Ashwin wasn't around someone else would have done it, certainly not as well but not that much worse.

You can't use that logic with Gavaskar, Sachin, Dravid, Kohli or maybe even a couple others. Without Dravid, India are a lot worse off in comparison than without Ashwin
 
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ma1978

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TheJediBrah said:
India has been such a **** tour for most overseas batsmen, due to a combination of spin friendly conditions and general lack of ability playing in those conditions. For this reason Ashwin, as valuable as he is, has never been as important as India's great batsmen were, because he is much more easily replaceable. Look at the stats of Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep etc. Bowling spin as an Indian in India is a buffet, if Ashwin wasn't around someone else would have done it, certainly not as well but not that much worse.

You can't use that logic with Gavaskar, Sachin, Dravid, Kohli or maybe even a couple others. Without Dravid, India are a lot worse off in comparison than without Ashwin
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spot on
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
(looking at all formats)

1) Tendulkar
2) Dev
3) Gavaskar
4) Kohli/Dravid
5) Dravid/Kohli
6) Ashwin
7) Jadeja
8) Bumrah

Bumrah likely to finish much higher
 
OverratedSanity

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Ashwin has a credible case to be top 5. Personally wouldn't rate him above dravid or maybe even kohli? That said, Australian posters opinions on him aren't worth a squirt of piss. He made them cry on our greatest overseas series victory ever and their cope is to pretend he wasn't a huge part of it. Some pea brained Indian fans also fall prey to this. I think it offends Australians that our spinners were as vital a part of winning that series in Australia as our pacers were. Their brains can't compute it and they find it shameful that an overweight electrical engineer lobbing the ball at 85kph owned them. Hence they downplay his achievements and only big up bumrah, shami etc. A pretty lame tactic but it won't change the facts. **** australia. Losers

Jai mata di
 
Daemon

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TheJediBrah said:
India has been such a **** tour for most overseas batsmen, due to a combination of spin friendly conditions and general lack of ability playing in those conditions. For this reason Ashwin, as valuable as he is, has never been as important as India's great batsmen were, because he is much more easily replaceable. Look at the stats of Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep etc. Bowling spin as an Indian in India is a buffet, if Ashwin wasn't around someone else would have done it, certainly not as well but not that much worse.

You can't use that logic with Gavaskar, Sachin, Dravid, Kohli or maybe even a couple others. Without Dravid, India are a lot worse off in comparison than without Ashwin
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The bolded is where all the difference in interpretation lies. I do think the difference would be worse enough for India to drop more tests at home. Look at Nadeem, Ojha, Washy, Axar (in the last England series). Kuldeep is a more recent find. If we didn’t have Ashwin during most of his career at home it would be a pretty massive blow.

Fwiw I think Dravid > Ashwin but it’s arguable.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

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Personally, I will have Jadeja ahead of Ashwin at 6. Ashwin at 7, Bumrah at 8 and Pant at 9.

Sachin, Kapil, Gavaskar, Kohli and Dravid are my top 5.
 
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Xix2565

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TheJediBrah said:
India has been such a **** tour for most overseas batsmen, due to a combination of spin friendly conditions and general lack of ability playing in those conditions. For this reason Ashwin, as valuable as he is, has never been as important as India's great batsmen were, because he is much more easily replaceable. Look at the stats of Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep etc. Bowling spin as an Indian in India is a buffet, if Ashwin wasn't around someone else would have done it, certainly not as well but not that much worse.

You can't use that logic with Gavaskar, Sachin, Dravid, Kohli or maybe even a couple others. Without Dravid, India are a lot worse off in comparison than without Ashwin
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Sorry but this hasn't been the case historically. Regardless of the conditions stereotyping (which also involves basically ignoring all the times people average in excess of 60 in India for a substantial amount of time), India was never the sort of dominant home side they were until the likes of Ashwin and Jadeja came through. You can clearly see this in their records since. Ashwin is absolutely vital there as the leading wicket taker and handy batter down the order.

You absolutely can use that logic with the other batters apart from Tendulkar because they all contribute less in general compared to a bowling AR like Ashwin or a bowler like Bumrah per game, and their general performances when put in context doesn't paint them as that much superior of a player as people want to believe here. Most of them can be said to have had easier batting conditions in general (2000 to early 2010s/weak attacks), so do we just ignore it for no reason? Tendulkar is the one exception because of his general longevity and performance across multiple eras, which can't be applied to anyone else. Everyone else is debatable.
 
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