kyear2
International Coach
I genuinely find it hilarious how you argue.The problem is you are suggesting that internationally Wasim is regarded as a better cricketer than Imran. That is just so patently absurd and contrary to reality that I am beginning to wonder if you even care about your rep when making such statements.
Forget his Cricinfo profile or every second article where he is introduced as Pakistan greatest cricketer or multiple cricket lists or the opinion of virtually every peer or pundit.
Yes, Wasim is regarded as a better bowler only, which is my point why he was selected. You want to squirm from this.
Whenever you get desperate, you start to cite polls as if they are concrete fact. Of course you won't cite polls here that put Imran as no.3 because it doesn't suit your point.
Anyways, you entirely miss the point. Tendulkar, Warne, Viv etc were universally hailed by peers, public and pundits in their time with hype that Marshall never got. That is why people are more comfortable putting them as no3. You never denied that btw so I assume you agree. Marshall then by your standards isn't a good fit for no.3 by defying cricketer consensus.
And yeah, if we have a roster of cricketers, then it depends completely on the make up of the team. If no.3 is an AR and there we decide that only one AR can make the team, then he doesn't play. Which is exactly how Wisden and Cricinfo picked their XI and why Imran is the AR in Cricinfos second XI. Are you just trying to deceive us.
Yes because there are more bats to compete with than bowlers. Simple logic that you also use to value a no.7 bat like Lara with a number 4 bowler like Steyn.
Using polls against you, when you say something as fact, with nothing to back it up isn't desperate, it's evidence that your opinion isn't the only one.
You have no idea how Wisden selected it's team, so to continuously repeat that they could only choose one all rounder is literally lying.
Even for the Cricinfo team, if it were second vs a close third it's not 50 - 0.
I will contend that if they wanted any player in either team, they would have adapted to make it happen. If you're seen as the 3rd best player ever, as you phrase it, he makes the team, at least one of them.
They are many former cricketers and writers who rates Wasim among the best ever, and to make both teams is a ridiculous achievement, especially for someone as yourself that values peer rating higher than anyone.
My issue with you, that Coronis's list highlights, is that you use one standard for Imran and a total other for Kallis, which as I've pointed out on multiple occasions makes no sense.
If Sobers is no. 2, and we're using cumulative ratings, Kallis is either 3 or 4, no lower. He has the massive average, with your only critique being that the didn't bat fast enough in some scenarios, he has his valuable 4th to 5th bowling role and his ridiculous catching.
But again, that's why you focus so hard on him isn't it.