Hadlee Vs Viv Richards

[Migara]

Viv was a good captain. But not the Imran, Ganguly, Ranatunga or Lloyd level captain who changed the structure, mindset and out look of the teams radically.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv was a good captain. But not the Imran, Ganguly, Ranatunga or Lloyd level captain who changed the structure, mindset and out look of the teams radically.

Indeed. That has been my point. I give some points to Viv for that.

 

[subshakerz]

@kyear2 you switched your vote?

 

[kyear2]

Yes and no.

Hadlee's slightly better, not as lopsided as this vote is.

 

[subshakerz]

Yes and no.

Hadlee's slightly better, not as lopsided as this vote is.

Who do you rate better in primary disciplines?

 

[kyear2]

Who do you rate better in primary disciplines?

Hadlee by a hair.

But in reality, 3rd and 5th is practically even.

 

[subshakerz]

Hadlee by a hair.

But in reality, 3rd and 5th is practically even.

Yeah going through his record shows Hadlee is a tad overrated.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah going through his record shows Hadlee is a tad overrated.

I don't know about over rated, but he's a clear no. 3 for me as I've said for a while.

Don't think he's good as the top 2. Also Ambrose was right there with him prior to the shoulder injury

 

[subshakerz]

I don't know about over rated, but he's a clear no. 3 for me as I've said for a while.

Don't think he's good as the top 2. Also Ambrose was right there with him prior to the shoulder injury

Hadlee has similar issues to Ambrose in overall record but was more consistent.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee has similar issues to Ambrose in overall record but was more consistent.

Becuse of the shoulder injury.

 

[subshakerz]

Becuse of the shoulder injury.

You remember that. Good. We had a whole debate where I was trying to drive that point home.

I think I may have got you to even readjust Hadlee a bit also in your mind. He isn't as close to McGrath perhaps?

 

[kyear2]

You remember that. Good. We had a whole debate where I was trying to drive that point home.

I think I may have got you to even readjust Hadlee a bit also in your mind. He isn't as close to McGrath perhaps?

Your argument was that he wasn't effective and his average meant nothing. I still disagree with that, but he also wasn't the 3rd best bowler ever during that period other.

There's middle ground that you refuse to acknowledge.

Re Hadlee, I don't think he's especially close to Pigeon. Hence why it's a toss up as overall players which you skewered me for.

 

[subshakerz]

Yout argument WA that he wasn't effective and his average meant nothing. I still disagree with that, but he also wasn't the 3rd best bowler ever during that period other.

There's middle ground that you refuse to acknowledge.

I think prior to that there wasnt a general perception of the extent to which the 94 shoulder injury impacted his penetration. Folks were just reading series averages blindly.

Soon I will get you to accept that Hadlee also has a somewhat imbalanced record too.

After that, we'll see what we can do about McGrath.

 

[kyear2]

I think prior to that there wasnt a general perception of the extent to which the 94 shoulder injury impacted his penetration. Folks were just reading series averages blindly.

Soon I will get you to accept that Hadlee also has a somewhat imbalanced record too.

After that, we'll see what we can do about McGrath.

And it was still a magnificent effort to keep his average whare it was, and he was still a brilliant bowler after.

Hadlee is already adjusted for what ever you're pushing. Hence I have McGrath as a clear no 2 for me. Hence when I said it's a toss up as overall players even factoring in Hadlee's batting, something you scoffed at.

 

[subshakerz]

And it was still a magnificent effort to keep his average whare it was, and he was still a brilliant bowler after.

Sure but I will take that as a begrudging acceptance of my argument.

Hadlee is already adjusted for what ever you're pushing. Hence I have McGrath as a clear no 2 for me. Hence when I said it's a toss up as overall players even factoring in Hadlee's batting, something you scoffed at.

I haven't seen you raise the point of Hadlee's heavy concentration of tests in a few areas before, though you have acknowledged it in this thread to your credit. Let's build in that.