The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[CricketFan90s]

Better at home, better away, scores tons and fifties more often.

What you want to say ?

 

[Coronis]

What you want to say ?

He’s obviously better. Is that not obvious to you?

 

[TheJediBrah]

On average Alec Stewart faced waaaay better bowlers under more difficult conditions than Prior

 

[CricketFan90s]

He’s obviously better. Is that not obvious to you?

You mean Prior no way. Stewart faced Donald, Pollock, Walsh, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, Warne, Murali and Shoaib in their prime years.

 

[Coronis]

You mean Prior no way. Stewart faced Donald, Pollock, Walsh, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, Warne, Murali and Shoaib in their prime years.

Quoted wrong post. Was meant to be re: Thorpe and Root.

 

[kyear2]

Let's not pretend Steyn was not the beneficiary of ball tampering. It's just than in his day ball tampering was done by a designated person who was not the bowler. Didn't a certain player come up to front tampering charges a few times and always get off scott free (not banned) to continue the practice?

So your defence is that Steyn also tampered. Ok......

Steyn also had DRS, and his away performances, though not great was commensurate with if not ahead of his peers. That's not the case with Imran.

 

[Victor Ian]

So your defence is that Steyn also tampered. Ok......

Steyn also had DRS, and his away performances, though not great was commensurate with if not ahead of his peers. That's not the case with Imran.

Look. I'm feeling very dirty, but I'm going down the 'Steyn is not all that' rabbit hole. I only mentioned the tampering because people are using that to knock Imran.
I just cant see how one picks him ahead of Imran. Batting doesn't even come into it.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Quoted wrong post. Was meant to be re: Thorpe and Root.

GP Thorpe (ENG)

2000-2005

43

74

15

3145

200*

53.30

6900

45.57

10

15

4

342

8

GP Thorpe (ENG)

1993-1999

57

105

13

3599

138

39.11

7793

46.18

6

24

8

436

1

Root has better numbers but also look at Graham Thorpe's centuries and the Bowling he faced. Thorpe was England's best Batsmen from 1997 to 2004.

10 Centuries of Graham Thorpe came against World Class Bowling Attacks. 3 Centuries facing Warne, 2 Centuries facing Murali and a Century facing Saqlain in his prime.

Can you tell me how good is Joe root based on the quality of bowling he faced ? i am not particularly impressed with his record in Australia.
I am not convinced so may be you can share some good points regarding Root.
Joe Root

In Australia

2013-2022

14

27

2

892

89

35.68

2015

44.26

0

9

2

91

0

Graham Thorpe

In Australia

1994-1998

6

12

1

530

123

48.18

1085

48.84

1

4

1

64

0

 

[PlayerComparisons]

GP Thorpe (ENG)

2000-2005

43

74

15

3145

200*

53.30

6900

45.57

10

15

4

342

8

GP Thorpe (ENG)

1993-1999

57

105

13

3599

138

39.11

7793

46.18

6

24

8

436

1

Root has better numbers but also look at Graham Thorpe's centuries and the Bowling he faced. Thorpe was England's best Batsmen from 1997 to 2004.

10 Centuries of Graham Thorpe came against World Class Bowling Attacks. 3 Centuries facing Warne, 2 Centuries facing Murali and a Century facing Saqlain in his prime.

Can you tell me how good is Joe root based on the quality of bowling he faced ? i am not particularly impressed with his record in Australia.

Joe Root

In Australia

2013-2022

14

27

2

892

89

35.68

2015

44.26

0

9

2

91

0

Graham Thorpe

In Australia

1994-1998

6

12

1

530

123

48.18

1085

48.84

1

4

1

64

0

Yeah it’s very close for sure. Root does have better longevity while Thorpe was better at scoring tough runs.

 

[CricketFan90s]

4:16 on Graham Thorpe

 

[kyear2]

Look. I'm feeling very dirty, but I'm going down the 'Steyn is not all that' rabbit hole. I only mentioned the tampering because people are using that to knock Imran.
I just cant see how one picks him ahead of Imran. Batting doesn't even come into it.

Understood.

And if you believe Imran is the better bowler, there's no discussion to be had really.

I think all two and Ambrose is a step down from the "big" 3.

 

[Socerer 01]

GP Thorpe (ENG)

2000-2005

43

74

15

3145

200*

53.30

6900

45.57

10

15

4

342

8

GP Thorpe (ENG)

1993-1999

57

105

13

3599

138

39.11

7793

46.18

6

24

8

436

1

Root has better numbers but also look at Graham Thorpe's centuries and the Bowling he faced. Thorpe was England's best Batsmen from 1997 to 2004.

10 Centuries of Graham Thorpe came against World Class Bowling Attacks. 3 Centuries facing Warne, 2 Centuries facing Murali and a Century facing Saqlain in his prime.

Can you tell me how good is Joe root based on the quality of bowling he faced ? i am not particularly impressed with his record in Australia.
I am not convinced so may be you can share some good points regarding Root.
Joe Root

In Australia

2013-2022

14

27

2

892

89

35.68

2015

44.26

0

9

2

91

0

Graham Thorpe

In Australia

1994-1998

6

12

1

530

123

48.18

1085

48.84

1

4

1

64

0

Root has faced plenty of good bowlers lol

 

[CricketFan90s]

Root has faced plenty of good bowlers lol

how good was he against Spin Bowling ? i want one batsmen in the team who is very good against Spin Bowlers.

 

[Socerer 01]

how good was he against Spin Bowling ?

are you seriously questioning Root who happens to be one of the best players of spin in the current era for his ability against spin?

 

[CricketFan90s]

View attachment 40298

This Team can defeat any countries All Time XI from last 50 Years.

 

[CricketFan90s]

are you seriously questioning Root who happens to be one of the best players of spin in the current era for his ability against spin?

why he has a poor record in Australia ? in this era players are focusing too much on T20s and IPLs for Money so there are few good countries who still play a good test cricket like England, Australia, New Zealand and India. So i expected Root to have a good record in Australia where pace Bowler friendly pitches are there and he could have done better. When Thorpe started becoming England's best batsmen in 1997 - It was too difficult for Batsmen to score runs as the pitches were bowling friendly. Except against South Africa Thorpe did well consistently against all teams.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

why he has a poor record in Australia ?

Not that good against pace but good against spin (like Mahela)

 

[CricketFan90s]

are you seriously questioning Root who happens to be one of the best players of spin in the current era for his ability against spin?

i was not questioning root I was asking a question.

 

[Coronis]

This Team can defeat any countries All Time XI from last 50 Years.

Stop pulling out bs like this all the time. England over the last 50 years is probably at best what, 6th? Fighting with New Zealand and Sri Lanka. Hell South Africa missed 20 of the last 50 years and they still smash ‘em.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah it’s very close for sure. Root does have better longevity while Thorpe was better at scoring tough runs.

Really? Root and Thorpe is very close?