Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

[ma1978]

Ponting ends up in the top 12 and Virat in the top 25 here, and that’s probably right

 

[ma1978]

Again, I don't get the logic of having him ahead of Waugh, Border, Kallis and Sanga; i.e, aggression.

Because many of us saw them all play and Ponting was better

 

[ma1978]

Viv seriously getting robbed here

this will be the biggest divergence between this group and cricket cognoscenti who typically rate him in the top 4-5 of all time (justifiably in my view)

don’t think enough people saw him bat

 

[capt_Luffy]

Because many of us saw them all play and Ponting was better

Like many of you considered Wasim better than McGrath? Or before that, Lillee over Hadlee? Or before that Kanhai over Sobers? Or even before that Trumper over Bradman??

 

[Coronis]

Viv seriously getting robbed here

this will be the biggest divergence between this group and cricket cognoscenti who typically rate him in the top 4-5 of all time (justifiably in my view)

don’t think enough people saw him bat

ermahgerd pretty bat I must worship

 

[kyear2]

Like many of you considered Wasim better than McGrath? Or before that, Lillee over Hadlee? Or before that Kanhai over Sobers? Or even before that Trumper over Bradman??

I have thought any of those things.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I have thought any if those things.

But many people did.....

 

[Coronis]

But many people did.....

The mere fact that people thought Trumper was as great or better than Bradman (yes some people did, even well into his career) calls many of these takes into question.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The mere fact that people thought Trumper was as great or better than Bradman (yes some people did, even well into his career) calls many of these takes into question.

Lindsay Hassett for once believed that probably till his death....

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I’d have Ponting around 16 and Kohli around 21

 

[Sunil1z]

I’d have Ponting around 16 and Kohli around 21

Kohi shouldn’t be in top 25 .

 

[ma1978]

The mere fact that people thought Trumper was as great or better than Bradman (yes some people did, even well into his career) calls many of these takes into question.

and yours are better because?

 

[capt_Luffy]

I have Ponting in 21-22 and Kohli in 31; though I believe I have 3 players in Top 20 whom most others don't rate.... Like they don't rate 2 at all, and 1 significantly lower.

 

[Coronis]

and yours are better because?

They’re not based on who arouses me most whilst I watch them play

 

[subshakerz]

Viv seriously getting robbed here

this will be the biggest divergence between this group and cricket cognoscenti who typically rate him in the top 4-5 of all time (justifiably in my view)

don’t think enough people saw him bat

It's insane. The clear far away no.1 bat of a ATG pace heavy era and yet CW somehow will downgrade him for not averaging a couple point higher.

Lara in the other hand is being propped up thanks to Viv's downgrading.

 

[subshakerz]

Smith vs Ponting is a non-contest. Smith is simply a better all-round bat vs all types of bowling in all conditions. This is pretty self evident to anyone who watched them, peak of otherwise. And Smith hasn't even declined to the extent Ponting has even if we assume their peaks are equal.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's insane. The clear far away no.1 bat of a ATG pace heavy era and yet CW somehow will downgrade him for not averaging a couple point higher.

Lara in the other hand is being propped up thanks to Viv's downgrading.

So Hobbs, Tendulkar, Lara, Sobers and Smith over Viv is insane???

 

[subshakerz]

So Hobbs, Tendulkar, Lara, Sobers and Smith over Viv is insane???

Lara yes. The rest justifiable.

 

[Sunil1z]

It's insane. The clear far away no.1 bat of a ATG pace heavy era and yet CW somehow will downgrade him for not averaging a couple point higher.

Lara in the other hand is being propped up thanks to Viv's downgrading.

Did even 1 bowling attack that Viv face had more than 1 ATG pacer ?
I know Viv faced Imran and Wasim but was Wasim an ATG in 80s ?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yea Viv didn’t have to face the WI attack which is the main reason batting was so hard in his era