Debate thread for 2024 ranking of bowlers poll

[capt_Luffy]

Nah he clearly makes a top 75 for me. It's whether he should be in a top 50 that's very debatable to me. I'd personally have him somewhere in the 50s atm.

I personally have around 20 spinners and 40 pacers ahead, so low 60s sounds fine to me.

 

[howitzer]

I personally have around 20 spinners and 40 pacers ahead, so low 60s sounds fine to me.

Pretty close assessment to me then.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Perhaps my 3,2,1 system is flawed. Too often we see a small group giving top votes to one player allowing them to finish ahead of a player with more nominations.

I think it wouldn't had been so much so problem without the meme votes. CA and Xix are in the minority I believe, but PC and Ataraxia I doubt rate Jadeja so highly.

 

[Sunil1z]

It’s OK . 1 or 2 names shouldn’t spoil what has been a very good Polling

 

[centurymaker]

It's all connected tbh. My point is that people attribute what they see as poor performance largely to the presence of T20s, which is bizarre to me. There's more factors involved that influences a player's batting results that isn't mentioned, like bowler talent/skill and conditions which never seem to be brought up as reasonable points, instead it's basically jumping to the idea that people suck nowadays as if cricket is the one sport where players don't get better over generations.

Cricket has not regressed at all, it has only improved. Look af T20. It has taken cricket, as a whole, to another level, plus there's been so much more innovation.

But TEST cricket has not improved (though it's changed for the worse), because it hasn't been the 'go to' format for the up and coming youth since a number of years..

 

[capt_Luffy]

Cricket has not regressed at all, it has only improved. Look af T20. It has taken cricket, as a whole, to another level, plus there's been so much more innovation.

But TEST cricket has not improved (though it's changed), because it hasn't been the 'go to' format for the up and coming youth since a number of years..

Yeah, but honestly I could hardly take T20 as anything more than a fun past time with friends. It's definitely cricket, but not something I can compare with Tests.

 

[shortpitched713]

But TEST cricket has not improved (though it's changed for the worse), because it hasn't been the 'go to' format for the up and coming youth since a number of years..

Other than frequency of tours in non big 3 nations, what particular ways do you find this to be the case?

 

[CricAddict]

I think it wouldn't had been so much so problem without the meme votes. CA and Xix are in the minority I believe, but PC and Ataraxia I doubt rate Jadeja so highly.

To be clear, mine is not a meme vote. I have also provided detailed reasons for the voting.

 

[ma1978]

Cricket has not regressed at all, it has only improved. Look af T20. It has taken cricket, as a whole, to another level, plus there's been so much more innovation.

But TEST cricket has not improved (though it's changed for the worse), because it hasn't been the 'go to' format for the up and coming youth since a number of years..

I just don’t agree here, nations rise and nations fall and sadly money has a lot to do with it but a) you’re seeing the most exciting tests in the games history; b) more money in the test game than ever, and in my view, this will go up meaningfully and will be more more broadly distributed - this is top of mind in people I know in cricket admin, c) t20s despite being around in commercial form for 15 years have not supplanted test cricket and for all the money, are not taken seriously by the top echelon of players. Even countries like NZ, WI and SA have not lost top players at their prime to t20.

 

[Socerer 01]

Cricket has not regressed at all, it has only improved. Look af T20. It has taken cricket, as a whole, to another level, plus there's been so much more innovation.

But TEST cricket has not improved (though it's changed for the worse), because it hasn't been the 'go to' format for the up and coming youth since a number of years..

how has test cricket not improved when wobble seam’s prevalence alone has raised the standard of test bowling significantly?

 

[ankitj]

If you think such polls should stop at 30 you are showing rather shallow knowledge of cricket history.

Agree. It's also a strong indicator that you might actually have a life.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Agree. It's also a strong indicator that you might actually have a life.

I mean, I doubt anyone would had participated had such been the case....

 

[kyear2]

Perhaps my 3,2,1 system is flawed. Too often we see a small group giving top votes to one player allowing them to finish ahead of a player with more nominations.

I don't think it's flawed, it's just hard to stop people from gaming of manipulating the system.

 

[howitzer]

I don't think it's flawed, it's just hard to stop people from gaming of manipulating the system.

Yeah I seem to rate Snow a fair bit higher than the other voters and if I wanted to do a much less severe gaming of the system I would stop voting for him for a bit to give my other votes more points but I'm playing it strictly honestly.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah I seem to rate Snow a fair bit higher than the other voters and if I wanted to do a much less severe gaming of the system I would stop voting for him for a bit to give my other votes more points but I'm playing it strictly honestly.

I could have changed the Steyn, Ambrose order, but I stuck to my board. So guess the same.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah I seem to rate Snow a fair bit higher than the other voters and if I wanted to do a much less severe gaming of the system I would stop voting for him for a bit to give my other votes more points but I'm playing it strictly honestly.

I could also had changed my vote and placed Ashwin ahead of Verity; as Walsh and Pollock had their ranks comfortably and Cummins wasn't making it either way, but thought that to be dishonest.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Perhaps my 3,2,1 system is flawed. Too often we see a small group giving top votes to one player allowing them to finish ahead of a player with more nominations.

How is that a flaw? Surely the point of this exercise is to find how this forum rates the players. It's not supposed to be objectively factual. If a forum overrates or underrates a certain player and that's reflected in the rankings, isn't that the point?

 

[howitzer]

How is that a flaw? Surely the point of this exercise is to find how this forum rates the players. It's not supposed to be objectively factual. If a forum overrates or underrates a certain player and that's reflected in the rankings, isn't that the point?

It's more the feeling that a couple/few troll posters are taking the mickey bliss with their picks. I personally don't care about it myself.

 

[centurymaker]

how has test cricket not improved when wobble seam’s prevalence alone has raised the standard of test bowling significantly?

The percentage of dismissals to poor/limited over shots is far greater now.

 

[howitzer]

The percentage of dismissals to poor/limited over shots is far greater now.

Yeah but this might be balanced out by runs being scored more quickly though. Could the lesser balls required to get the same score mean a lesser chance for the unplayable ball to hit you when on a lower score. It's a paradox imo.