Dravid vs De Villiers against lateral movement

[Spark]

Sorry am I going mad because as far as I can see the thread title says "against lateral movement", or is there some bizarre forum bug that shows that only for me while apparently coming up as "pace and bounce" for everyone else? Because it's otherwise very difficult to understand why any of the last ten posts are relevant.

 

[ma1978]

Dravid at best has a mixed record against such pacers, but mostly struggled. As usual your approach is just take every career highlight you can find and define a player (Indian normally) by that.

+ Wasim Akram, Ricky Ponting, Michael Holding, Everton Weekes etc

But yea that’s my approach and I don’t apologize for it. I think the sum of iconic moments is a great way to assess a player vs the unsound and arbitrary dissection of statistics.

Take Rahul Dravid - the stats will say he struggled against Australia. I don’t give a toss, He could have scored a duck in every innings other than his 180 in Exim Gardens, 233 and 72 in Adelaide and 93 in Perth and I wouldn’t care. The fact is he played the critical role in three of India’s iconic wins against Australia at a time when virtually no one won against Australia. As far as I’m concerned he was brilliant against Australia.

 

[subshakerz]

+ Wasim Akram, Ricky Ponting, Michael Holding, Everton Weekes etc

But yea that’s my approach and I don’t apologize for it. I think the sum of iconic moments is a great way to assess a player vs the unsound and arbitrary dissection of statistics.

Take Rahul Dravid - the stats will say he struggled against Australia. I don’t give a toss, He could have scored a duck in every innings other than his 180 in Exim Gardens, 233 and 72 in Adelaide and 93 in Perth and I wouldn’t care. The fact is he played the critical role in three of India’s iconic wins against Australia at a time when virtually no one won against Australia. As far as I’m concerned he was brilliant against Australia.

So consistency factors nowhere in your equation? A couple of innings is enough?

 

[subshakerz]

Sorry am I going mad because as far as I can see the thread title says "against lateral movement", or is there some bizarre forum bug that shows that only for me while apparently coming up as "pace and bounce" for everyone else? Because it's otherwise very difficult to understand why any of the last ten posts are relevant.

Well there is a disconnect because look at the bowlers they put him against.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well there is a disconnect because look at the bowlers they put him against.

Ah yes, all those great runs ABD scored against Richard Hadlee in Lords....

 

[Spark]

Well there is a disconnect because look at the bowlers they put him against.

??? What does this have to do with anything?

 

[StephenZA]

Other than his time as an opener (when he was mediocre), how much lateral movement did AB play?

None. The ball doesn't move in SA. Basically all the wickets are roads.

 

[subshakerz]

??? What does this have to do with anything?

Title is about lateral movement but the bowlers picked are also pace merchants.

 

[Jumno]

Dravid played an ATG innings against McGrath, Warne, Gillespie 01.

Adelaide 04

Perth

Barbados 06

Against England

Took on Donald odi

Ambrose, Walsh 97

Faced Wasim, Waqur, Donald, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali

Anderson, Steyn etc

 

[ma1978]

So consistency factors nowhere in your equation? A couple of innings is enough?

Dravid is plenty consistent, but yes a player needs to be judged by their iconic performances. Even 15 tests is a tiny sample size esp when some come at the beginning and end of a career so I look at aggregates and I look at the great performances

 

[subshakerz]

Ah yes, all those great runs ABD scored against Richard Hadlee in Lords....

Dude I talked earlier about ABDs struggles with Clark and Asif.

 

[ma1978]

Dravid played an ATG innings against McGrath, Warne, Gillespie 01.

Adelaide 04

Barbados 06

Against England

Faced Wasim, Waqur, Donald, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali

Anderson, Steyn etc

also the great double performance at the wanderers

but this one isn’t really a discussion because sadly AB never really faced ATG pace bowling

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid played an ATG innings against McGrath, Warne, Gillespie 01.

Adelaide 04

Barbados 06

Against England

Faced Wasim, Waqur, Donald, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali

Anderson, Steyn etc

Dravid flopped against McGrath in 99 and 2004/5. Scored jack against Steyn and WWs.

He did score against Ambrose Walsh in 1997 tho. You missed that. Also mixed record against Shoaib.

Warne? You are mentioning a lot of irrelevant stuff in relation to the topic.

 

[subshakerz]

also the great double performance at the wanderers

but this one isn’t really a discussion because sadly AB never really faced ATG pace bowling

ABD scored comfortably against peak Mitch on SA pitches plus Cummins and co.

 

[capt_Luffy]

ABD scored comfortably against peak Mitch on SA pitches plus Cummins and co.

Really? Is Johnson all you have got?? No dig on ABD; but I feel it's not really a comparable bowling unit. Also, this was a ****ing stupid thread idea and is entirely based on and bashed down; the perception that Dravid will throw his wicket to anything that bounces fast.....

 

[subshakerz]

Really? Is Johnson all you have got?? No dig on ABD; but I feel it's not really a comparable bowling unit. Also, this was a ****ing stupid thread idea and is entirely based on and bashed down; the perception that Dravid will throw his wicket to anything that bounces fast.....

Dude I literally mentioned how he ABD bashed Cummins and co in SA in 2018, why do you skip that?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dude I literally mentioned how he ABD bashed Cummins and co in 2018, why do you skip that?

Because you literally put that on a footnote....

 

[subshakerz]

Because you literally put that on a footnote....

Ok so now you read the footnote.

 

[Jumno]

Abdv

Johnson, starc, Hazelwood, siddle, Lyon, Cummins

Hasan Ali

Anderson, Broad,

Boult, Southee, Vettori

Malinga, Hearth

Z Khan, Nehra, Sreesanth

 

[subshakerz]

Anyways I don't think this is particularly close when you factor in the struggles Dravid had vs Steyn who is one of the bowlers. At best, Dravid will grind out a tired and tortured 30 odd before getting a lifter against this attack while ABD scores a pretty 70 before holing out.