Dravid vs De Villiers against lateral movement

[capt_Luffy]

Anyways I don't think this is particularly close when you factor in the struggles Dravid had vs Steyn who is one of the bowlers. At best, Dravid will grind out a tired and tortured 30 odd before getting a lifter against this attack while ABD scores a pretty 70 before holing out.

Source: I made the **** up!

 

[capt_Luffy]

I love to debate "what if" scenarios; but people going around like Rahul Dravid will be owned by this bowlers while ABD will do own them (because he did so to MJ once); after specifying that the game will be played in conditions Dravid has proven himself to be the best batsman since Viv...... Yeah, this thread is a **** show and almost feels like an agenda piece.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Subs is completely right on this one

 

[subshakerz]

I love to debate "what if" scenarios; but people going around like Rahul Dravid will be owned by this bowlers while ABD will do own them (because he did so to MJ once); after specifying that the game will be played in conditions Dravid has proven himself to be the best batsman since Viv...... Yeah, this thread is a **** show and almost feels like an agenda piece.

Because we watched Dravid in his career and he wasn't comfortable against this level of sustained pace with bounce.

Like I said, I would have him against Anderson level swingers.

 

[subshakerz]

By the way, just to be clear, ABD isn't owning this attack either. He will at best score a pretty cameo here or there but this is too much for even him to be expected to dominate.

 

[Jumno]

I recall Dravid Vs Donald in an odi.

Dravid under extreme insurmountable pressure in the 2003 world cup final, coming in at 5, at 59/3, Dravid scored 48 Vs McGrath, Lee at his best, Bichal. In South Africa.

Dravid TV 5 cup final.

 

[Coronis]

+ Wasim Akram, Ricky Ponting, Michael Holding, Everton Weekes etc

But yea that’s my approach and I don’t apologize for it. I think the sum of iconic moments is a great way to assess a player vs the unsound and arbitrary dissection of statistics.

Take Rahul Dravid - the stats will say he struggled against Australia. I don’t give a toss, He could have scored a duck in every innings other than his 180 in Exim Gardens, 233 and 72 in Adelaide and 93 in Perth and I wouldn’t care. The fact is he played the critical role in three of India’s iconic wins against Australia at a time when virtually no one won against Australia. As far as I’m concerned he was brilliant against Australia.

Ollie Pope is the greatest batsman to ever bat against India.

 

[subshakerz]

Super reflexes, shots all across the wicket, calculated risks, proactive runscoring, these are the sorts of things a top bat needs to have a chance of parity against a pace attack of this quality because in swinging conditions with this skill and pace it will be inevitable that there will be a ball with your name on it.

ABD has this, Dravid does not.

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid's shtick is weathering the toughest spells of the best bowlers so he can cash in on other tired weaker bowlers with a bit more scoring. That ain't going to work with this relentless pace barrage. He will end up scratching around the crease for a long time before Marshall or Steyn get a nick outside off to end his misery.

 

[honestbharani]

??? What does this have to do with anything?

Dravid is Indian. That's the issue for subzi here.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Super reflexes, shots all across the wicket, calculated risks, proactive runscoring, these are the sorts of things a top bat needs to have a chance of parity against a pace attack of this quality because in swinging conditions with this skill and pace it will be inevitable that there will be a ball with your name on it.

ABD has this, Dravid does not.

This is just a vibes post, bro wtf. Dravid had his struggles against some pace attacks, but putting up one great knock as something Dravid couldn't reproduce is stupidity. Guy scored a 180 against an ATG attack in the greatest comeback in test history.

 

[subshakerz]

This is just a vibes post, bro wtf. Dravid had his struggles against some pace attacks, but putting up one great knock as something Dravid couldn't reproduce is stupidity. Guy scored a 180 against an ATG attack in the greatest comeback in test history.

It's not a vibes post. I gave the exact skills to have a chance against this attack.

I'm not putting one knock, ABD has multiple series against Cummins and peak Mitch. But his basic skill set along with that is sufficient to put confidence in him over Dravid.

 

[Coronis]

This is just a vibes post, bro wtf. Dravid had his struggles against some pace attacks, but putting up one great knock as something Dravid couldn't reproduce is stupidity. Guy scored a 180 against an ATG attack in the greatest comeback in test history.

Nah that wasn’t the greatest comeback.

 

[ma1978]

It's not a vibes post. I gave the exact skills to have a chance against this attack.

I'm not putting one knock, ABD has multiple series against Cummins and peak Mitch. But his basic skill set along with that is sufficient to put confidence in him over Dravid.

so we are back to relying on intuition.

 

[Majestic]

ABD has fantastic record vs Australia, Pakistan and West Indies.

Good record vs India, England.

Good record vs New Zealand and Sri Lanka.

Poor record vs Bangladesh due to 2006 tour of BD.

 

[Majestic]

ABD doesn't have lot of big tons but in Test cricket, he played a major role in making South Africa a competitive and stiff opponent vs Australia home and away both. If you look at the record vs Australia home and away, Kallis has been poor and so has been Smith.

ABD has been the best at home vs Australia so there is clearly some validity if someone picks ABD over Dravid vs higher quality pace attack.

 

[subshakerz]

so we are back to relying on intuition.

You just...don't get it, do you?

 

[Arachnodouche]

ABD never played anyone remotely comparable to Steyn either so that whole line of discussion is moot. I'd pick ABD ftr because he had an extra gear or three to him and I can visualize him going nuts if conditions were too spicy to handle. Dravid, not so much.

 

[Majestic]

ABD never played anyone remotely comparable to Steyn either so that whole line of discussion is moot. I'd pick ABD ftr because he had an extra gear or three to him and I can visualize him going nuts if conditions were too spicy to handle. Dravid, not so much.

He played Cummins and Bumrah in that final series/season of his career so there is that one series. Now, those two bowlers can go down as all time greats when they retire. Peak Johnson is pretty close to Steyn too.

 

[ma1978]

He played Cummins and Bumrah in that final series/season of his career so there is that one series. Now, those two bowlers can go down as all time greats when they retire. Peak Johnson is pretty close to Steyn too.

no they;re not, and it was Bumrah';s first time playing test cricket

ABD is awesome, but this whole argument is stupid because one of these two guys actually played against ATG bowling and did ok - not great, but no worse than anyone not named Tendulkar in that era. The other guy never did.